This is wild they allowed mags in pistols if holsterd this was bound to happen

Was that the same renowned cheat who was also a renowned shit tech ?
Yep that's the muppet. For a short time I was actually in his team and that really was an eye opener. He'd openly bragg about the cheating and was a racist walt. The final straw for me though was when he thought it's funny to drive home with a shotgun in plain view on the parcel shelf of his car. A hard stop by an ARV isn't something I want to experience
 
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Rule should be when leaving the field of play all mags out of guns and guns cleared. Best site will have a specific bb trap, mag out rack slide ( on pistol ) point into trap and squeeze trigger. Job done, break the rule and get removed from site.
 
So I can testify against the "pistols are safe if in a holster" statement. Utter bollocks. Fortunately, I was in game and not in the safe zone (where it wouldn't have happened because my mag would be out!) and I went to pull my pistol. Pistol was loaded, one in the chamber and hammer cocked. Completely forgot that I was using my CTM open holster and not my universal closed one. As I pulled the pistol upwards, instead of outwards, it tilted towards my thigh and went off. Not being a dick and not instantly figuring out it was me who shot myself, I called my hit and went to the respawn, only to do the exact same thing a second time in respawn, hence where I realised what I had done. So, in short, mag out or you don't go in the safe zone, absolutely baffles me how this isn't a universal given!
 
So I can testify against the "pistols are safe if in a holster" statement. Utter bollocks. Fortunately, I was in game and not in the safe zone (where it wouldn't have happened because my mag would be out!) and I went to pull my pistol. Pistol was loaded, one in the chamber and hammer cocked. Completely forgot that I was using my CTM open holster and not my universal closed one. As I pulled the pistol upwards, instead of outwards, it tilted towards my thigh and went off. Not being a dick and not instantly figuring out it was me who shot myself, I called my hit and went to the respawn, only to do the exact same thing a second time in respawn, hence where I realised what I had done. So, in short, mag out or you don't go in the safe zone, absolutely baffles me how this isn't a universal given!
It isn’t a universal given because some (many?) site owners are lax, while others are only interested in the money, or both.
 
There is an option with regard to any site that is seen to be operating unsafely ……

Start with pointing it out to staff / management (give them a chance)
Next would be to notify the Local Authority (council) and / or HSE

Local Authorities will have a public protection team, covering areas such as Trading Standards. There are health elements that may be applicable, but TS cover most things.
HSE have the powers to shut down a business, but will still go for advice first. Something such as a player being shot in the eye in the safe zone, could be good enough for an immediate shut down
(The site can of course highlight all their safety precautions making it a one off, but if you add the photos from the site as per this case I would aim for an immediate shut down)

HSE or Trading Standards would generally advise on actions to be taken and decide whether or not they can allow the site to operate with a targeted improvement date

There is of course also the option of going directly to the sites insurers, and that would risk immediate shut down / increased premium / withdrawal of insurance which results in a massive premium at the next insurer
To operate an Airsoft or paintball site the absolute minimum is PLI insurance, if not in place then TS/HSE can shut them down (or require immediate action to resolve that

(PLI is the absolute minimum)

To have Airsoft / paintball PLI there must be risk assessments and mitigations.
I highly doubt a risk assessment mitigation exists that OKs a holstered pistol in the safe zone
 
I'd really like to see any site's risk assessment actually (jesus, young me would hate current me so damn much). Be very interesting to see what operators say they do to their insurers; and to see how the writing varies from site to site - given that those words will be the driving factor behind how everything is physically operated (from a legalese perspective).

With such a niche hobby with a lot of 'scary gun' terminology it's got to be quite tricky to get right, unless there are insurers that specialise in firing ranges/paintball and the like maybe? Even then how many staff are they going to have that truly understand any of this stuff (honestly no clue myself)?

I get the feeling that the writing would either be absolutely encyclopaedic in stature to cover all the possibilities.. or just comedically short.
 
Be very interesting to see what operators say they do to their insurers; and to see how the writing varies from site to site - given that those words will be the driving factor behind how everything is physically operated (from a legalese perspective).
It would be, I’ve had sight of parts of a couple of paintball site risk assessments & method statements*, sites don’t particularly want to share theirs with just anyone.

* People often misdefine these. What many people think is a risk assessment is actually a method statement. I wrote up a set for trading at a festival over a couple of hours once to meet a booking deadline. The event organiser was demanding a copy of the risk assessment (during the COVID era), so I received a desperate phone call to write one. I wrote a risk assessment, and forwarded it. I was called back as the organiser said X & Y were missing, which were elements of a method statement. I wrote up a method statement to accompany every element in the risk assessment and sent those on. I was called back again because X & Y had to be in the risk assessment not the method statement. I replaced the title “method statement” with “Risk assessment” … and it was all accepted
After having managed the emergency copy we then went through it all and now have a full proper set of risk assessment, mitigations and method statements for outdoor & indoor event trading



With such a niche hobby with a lot of 'scary gun' terminology
Scary gun terms are irrelevant. Guns are legal in the UK and there are many activities including real firearms.

it's got to be quite tricky to get right, unless there are insurers that specialise in firing ranges/paintball and the like maybe?

There are specialist insurers. (I couldn’t say how many of the insurers are specialist with knowledge of the industry vs how many are underwriting policies titled as such)
But there are industry bodies, the UKPSF for example offer advice and support to prospective sites - at a cost and on the assumption of the site signing up to a site membership.
(Bear in mind that the opening up of paintball sites during Covid when the government announced that sporting venues could reopen was under the clause of sign off by Sport England & the local authority who did so for paintball under the guise of UKPSF site members who had to comply with the criteria that UKPSF/SE agreed on - that is why a few Airsoft sites announced reopening followed by cancelling their reopening when they realised that there was no UK Airsoft body endorsed by Sport England


Even then how many staff are they going to have that truly understand any of this stuff (honestly no clue myself)?
That comes down to staff training, and having head Marshalls above schoolboy Marshalls … and of course by running a site professionally instead of calling random local players “player marshals”

The first official paintball site opened in the UK in 1985, over 40 years ago and according to Google FAO is the oldest Airsoft site from 1996
The UKPSF began in 1991, and the man behind it was also responsible for the European equivalent before he handed that over



I get the feeling that the writing would either be absolutely encyclopaedic in stature to cover all the possibilities.. or just comedically short.

There is no need to cover every single possibility, and to attempt to do so from scratch will result in failure. It should never be a final document, but produced and revised as time goes on
It can also never be a one size fits all solution - there will be commonality between sites and between activities, but there will always be something different for the circumstances
 
This playlist can be an interesting watch, it’s by an insurance agent who also runs (or ran) sites



If you go through their other playlists you can find various other ‘specialist’ activities that they will insure
 
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