Colin Allen
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It was taken down.
This is wild they allowed mags in pistols if holsterd this was bound to happen
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That’s quite a few decades back, either you’re as old as me or you have niche interests to keep an eye on the reievant case history …. If so you I can refer you to my eBay
One thing a bad disclaimer can do is document what they thought of but failed to act upon and aid a negligence claim
Back to the serious topic in hand …. This should make everyone rethink safety
Anything brought out of the game zone must be “made safe”
If you can pull it out of a holster then it is not safe, even if still in the holster it is not safe if the barrel is not blocked
Battery disconnection is an unnecessary excessive step - unless it’s impossible to make safe otherwise
Barrel condoms are great - if fitted securely, and if the pistol is holstered then that adds the issue of being able to holster with it already fitted or ending up with the condom over the holster and having to be removed to pull out of the holster
Before exit, lose the magazine and prove it’s clear by shooting off
Then ideally still cover the barrel
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I hate the idea of glasses style eye protection, but the real benefit here is they can be kept on
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As mentioned above paintball sites have gun racks before you exit the game zone - but that is only really practical for rental players. Own gunners don’t want to leave their gear out for any idiot to fiddle with
Back in the day when at a rental day we would put ours into the Marshalls shed. But for own gunners there must be a ‘make safe’ process, such as safety on/power off/ASA purge etc - and all accompanied by a barrel condom
Anything brought out of the game zone must be “made safe”
If you can pull it out of a holster then it is not safe, even if still in the holster it is not safe if the barrel is not blocked
Battery disconnection is an unnecessary excessive step - unless it’s impossible to make safe otherwise
Barrel condoms are great - if fitted securely, and if the pistol is holstered then that adds the issue of being able to holster with it already fitted or ending up with the condom over the holster and having to be removed to pull out of the holster
Before exit, lose the magazine and prove it’s clear by shooting off
Then ideally still cover the barrel
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I hate the idea of glasses style eye protection, but the real benefit here is they can be kept on
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As mentioned above paintball sites have gun racks before you exit the game zone - but that is only really practical for rental players. Own gunners don’t want to leave their gear out for any idiot to fiddle with
Back in the day when at a rental day we would put ours into the Marshalls shed. But for own gunners there must be a ‘make safe’ process, such as safety on/power off/ASA purge etc - and all accompanied by a barrel condom
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A rack in the safe zone behind some perspex would do, they're visible but people aren't fucking with them.
You will not convince me that de energising stuff isn't the best way to sort this.
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Yeah there's absolutely a lawsuit here
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Surely the whole point of removing mags before entering a safe zone and clearing your barrel where practical is to mitigate "accidental" discharges? Holstered pistols are only less dangerous rather than safe as they can still fall out or as the article stated, players can still take the pistol out of the holster without much thought, especially when trigger discipline is lacking.
I do sympathise for the chap who was shot in the eye though that's some lousy wording in the article. It was not intentional but yhe lack of intention doesn't negate that there was carelessness at best that led to him being shot when you willfully take out a loaded pistol in the safe zone to show it to a friend.
I usally wear eyepro in the safe zone because I have heard too many negligent discharges (usually by but not always rentals) at too many sites to trust everyone despite the rule to keep weapons on safe and not to dry fire.
I do sympathise for the chap who was shot in the eye though that's some lousy wording in the article. It was not intentional but yhe lack of intention doesn't negate that there was carelessness at best that led to him being shot when you willfully take out a loaded pistol in the safe zone to show it to a friend.
I usally wear eyepro in the safe zone because I have heard too many negligent discharges (usually by but not always rentals) at too many sites to trust everyone despite the rule to keep weapons on safe and not to dry fire.
Disconnecting a battery does not guarantee there is no power to a component (residual energy in components - a capacitor) and also disc connecting a gas source does not guarantee there is nothing in a chamber somewhere, even if it does purge on removal
One shot is all it takes
But that’s not my issue with it as a safety measure
Batteries may not be so easy to get at, and if you have a process that needs different things for different guns / people then it won’t ever happen
The simple requirement is to “make safe”:
Unload, prove empty (fire off), block it
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I hate barrel socks because I think they're lame. When I started airsoft as a 14 year old rental player, I had been shooting already for 6 years with my parents, and I had also been in cadets for a few months where the first thing we learned is firearm safety. Even as a rental, you can bet I was making sure my gun was safe and not pointed at anyone because it was muscle memory at that point. Also, the guns I run now are gas guns, so if the magazine is out, the gun literally can't fire, so I hate having to put a barrel sock on before heading back into the safe zone because I've been practising weapon safety for literal decades.
However, I also said earlier that I really don't trust airsofters around airsoft guns and wear my eye protection from the moment I arrive to the moment I pack up and leave. With some of the mouth-breathers I've seen rock up to various sites and events, even just in recent history, I can see why sites are starting to use them.
I hate them, and I hate that I have to use them, but I understand why they're needed.
However, I also said earlier that I really don't trust airsofters around airsoft guns and wear my eye protection from the moment I arrive to the moment I pack up and leave. With some of the mouth-breathers I've seen rock up to various sites and events, even just in recent history, I can see why sites are starting to use them.
I hate them, and I hate that I have to use them, but I understand why they're needed.
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I would just add to that: enforce rules about dry firing in the safe zone.
That’s the key point —- enforce rules
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They uh, do though.
Capacitors such as you get in a "mosfet" AEG circuit hold very little power, they're mostly just for decoupling. They'll discharge in milliseconds after the power is disconnected. LEDs linger for so long because their power draw is tiny these days but a motor needs far more than that to even cycle.
Gas guns vary, some have internal tanks like the G&G LevAR. Conventional gas in mag guns have no ability under any circumstances to fire a BB if the magazine is removed. There is no "chamber somewhere."
I get that you're saying, "you can never be too safe don't assume anything," but in practical HSE applications if there are mitigations that remove a hazard, just enact them. Muddying the water with silly edge cases just makes people think there is no safe option.
You’ve caught it there with your safety embedded but also a distrust of others
How can others trust you?
There are those who are safe by habit (you can always slip just once) and there are those who you hear saying “their safety is their finger” (I have absolutely no trust if those words are uttered)
Barrel condoms have the key factor of being a visual. They have the potential bonus of showing that you are eliminated - Airsoft has a clever system with dead rags, but it doesn’t seem to be used
The original barrel blocker was a barrel blocker inserted info the barrel, but probably friction based with rubber o rings so as soon as auto / semi auto appeared a player would shoot their barrel blocker off
An elastic was added to the blocker or a barrel condom put over it to keep the blocker on.
Stronger barrel condoms followed with multi layers to be used on their own
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This. If sites can't be arsed to enforce their rules then they shouldn't be surprised when people start ignoring them
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I'm just saying, when they are stood in court explaining that a barrel sock looks lame or a battery takes too long to remove, the HSE will go to town. I work in the H&S industry and am starting to get involved in expert witness jobs, the HSE are ruthless. And then beyond that, there are insurers. There are 3 things that will happen- it either gets sorted ourselves, the insurance will write up in such a way that it will make it happen, or insurers will withdraw.
I have just ordered a pair of shooting glasses to wear specifically in safe zones, wearing them all the time seems a sensible option tbf. Mask off, glasses on. I really genuinely hope the person isn't seriously hurt.
The thing is, the eyeball is such a tiny target when you think of the almost infinite field of fire an airsoft ND can have, how many shots are loosed in safe zones that we never ever hear or know about?
I have just ordered a pair of shooting glasses to wear specifically in safe zones, wearing them all the time seems a sensible option tbf. Mask off, glasses on. I really genuinely hope the person isn't seriously hurt.
The thing is, the eyeball is such a tiny target when you think of the almost infinite field of fire an airsoft ND can have, how many shots are loosed in safe zones that we never ever hear or know about?
Many many times, cue the Swiss cheese model
Any single point prevents disaster. It’s only the last couple of measures that get noticed, an ND that gets noticed in the moment and is promptly forgotten because no one got hurt or the final point when someone does get hurt
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Yeah I completely agree not making mags out mandatory from the start in safe zones is wild. I've never been to a site that has had that rule, admittedly I've only been to 3 different sites
but still lol. I don't wear my eye pro in the safe zone mainly because I use a dye mask and I need to got for a vape lol Similar threads
