The future of our hobby/sport... so called prank video
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two_zero
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"I would bet a considerable sum they won't ban IFs or RIFs because I imagine they bring in a decent bit of tax."
Whatever he gets from the video is peanuts to the government, even if he paid it all to them.
"As far as I know no one has been killed brandishing an airsoft gun in public so why would they outright ban them?"
I am afraid this is a quite naive view. I don't really want to go into it deeper, can't bother the long debates.
As for the 20% tax, it's VAT; which is only charged at retail. Again, the government got plenty of other people they can harass to get cash. Not that they seem to care much, as they keep on spending money they do not have.
I'd say give the police a chance to have a look at it first. I am sure they can view deleted youtube videos, but it's just a lot easier for them if it's still online.
I do apologise if I sound a bit harsh, no offence meant.
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Aplogies as im on my phone I can't quote but I missed a full stop, I meant that the sale of airsoft guns brings in tax. No offence taken, ny hastily put point was that there are more dangerous ( I can't think of a better word than this sorry 
) passtimes that people do than airsoft, for example driving that the government could spend time and money on trying to make safer. I'd say at least 90% of the government isn't even aware that airsoft exists in the form we know it.
As I've said before in the eyes of the government this has been dealt with under the VCRA and at the moment they have bigger fish to fry !
) passtimes that people do than airsoft, for example driving that the government could spend time and money on trying to make safer. I'd say at least 90% of the government isn't even aware that airsoft exists in the form we know it.As I've said before in the eyes of the government this has been dealt with under the VCRA and at the moment they have bigger fish to fry !
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Because when the tabloids pick this up they will whip up 'outrage' that replica guns are on the streets and use this video as am example and so on.
As ever the Govt will want to keep the Tabloids on side and be seen to be doing something.
Banning weapons is always good for the Tabloids.
Hoodies with guns terrorising the locals!
As ever the Govt will want to keep the Tabloids on side and be seen to be doing something.
Banning weapons is always good for the Tabloids.
Hoodies with guns terrorising the locals!
Ian_Gere
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She had a uniform on and something on her epaulettes like "Information Officer" as well as a number, so i dunno if she was a PC or some kind of special or whatever.
No, I completely forgot about crime numbers. TBH I was feeling pretty uncomfortable being there at all... I'll phone them up 2moz and ask to speak to the dude/tte
Unless it's the Metro or I doubt anyone actually pays attention to the tabloids and if they do, I imagine it's with a grain of salt.
In terms of news it's already old and not that interesting tbh. The Sun did an article recently about how easy actual firearms are smuggled into the UK which I imagine is a more pressing issue
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But that's exactly the point, Mike. There are hundreds of more pressing issues about which the govt can either do fuck all, or can afford to do fuck all, so this is a perfect issue to make a big deal out of to look like they are doing something useful.
I'm not so sure the images of the police would help, as they could be absolutely nothing to do with the film. Best bet would be to check with the uniforms and their cars, and double check if that's what ARV teams look like wherever this was filmed. (For example, in Southwark & Borough, the ARV teams don't look like that). The problem is, I have no idea where this was filmed, it looks so generic, it could be practically any dreary, grey city in the UK.
I think the mainstream press would have been all-over an ARV or two being sent out to deal with a "madman shooting at people with a fake gun", considering how they usually react to ARVs being sent to deal with kids playing with toy guns. I haven't heard or seen anything yet, so I'm starting to think that this whole thing could be a very elaborate (but ultimately shit and unfunny) fake-marketing ploy, with everyone shown in the film being in on the "joke".
It was filmed in Essex, the intro was filmed at a place called Mayhem Paintball, Pryors Farm, Patch Park, Abridge, Essex RM4 1AA
http://www.mayhem-paintball.co.uk/news
Anything in the back ground look familiar ?
http://www.mayhem-paintball.co.uk/news
Anything in the back ground look familiar ?
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This is one of those face palm moments. Ian I realise you probably didn't feel comfortable going down to your local with that video but it needs to be done!
That's what I was meaning when I said Airsofters should be whiter than white, squeakier than squeaky clean. We know the law, and we know when it is being broken. The law should be brought to bare on these dicks, unfortunately it probably wont, although its a pretty easy slam dunk of a case they've provided video of their actions the only issue will be finding those involved and finding the victims although I'm not sure it is necessary for them to press charges as this is clearly an offence.
What they think is fun and games is stupid and could end up with someone getting hurt or worse killed. Unfortunately their video simply serves to provide a bad example for everyone.
If it is a viral video where everyone is in on the joke ( they were filming it with full knowledge of the police) then unfortunately it has been done in very bad taste. It is so easy for those videos to go totally out of control and many impressionable people wont be trying to find out if it was real or a setup. Even if it is some kind of marketing ploy or something it is still a fantastically bad idea to glorify any of the behaviour of the individuals involved.
I wonder if its worth pointing out in the youtube comments which sections of the law they have broken and the penalty they could face for doing so.
That's what I was meaning when I said Airsofters should be whiter than white, squeakier than squeaky clean. We know the law, and we know when it is being broken. The law should be brought to bare on these dicks, unfortunately it probably wont, although its a pretty easy slam dunk of a case they've provided video of their actions the only issue will be finding those involved and finding the victims although I'm not sure it is necessary for them to press charges as this is clearly an offence.
What they think is fun and games is stupid and could end up with someone getting hurt or worse killed. Unfortunately their video simply serves to provide a bad example for everyone.
If it is a viral video where everyone is in on the joke ( they were filming it with full knowledge of the police) then unfortunately it has been done in very bad taste. It is so easy for those videos to go totally out of control and many impressionable people wont be trying to find out if it was real or a setup. Even if it is some kind of marketing ploy or something it is still a fantastically bad idea to glorify any of the behaviour of the individuals involved.
I wonder if its worth pointing out in the youtube comments which sections of the law they have broken and the penalty they could face for doing so.
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What a cock.
NickM
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I've spent a little time reading over the VCRA in the hopes of understanding the sentencing, I think 5 years is incorrect for RIF's, but then again I'm not a lawyer and the circular speak is starting to hurt my head.
No doubt a prison sentence is mentioned for what he has in the video footage though.
What a bunch of fucktards!
And a response of but we told them afterwards it was a joke, hmmmmm yeah like that is a valid defence in court. Wish I was on the jury that sits on any trial of the like.
No doubt a prison sentence is mentioned for what he has in the video footage though.
What a bunch of fucktards!
And a response of but we told them afterwards it was a joke, hmmmmm yeah like that is a valid defence in court. Wish I was on the jury that sits on any trial of the like.
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Yeah Nick, I asked somebody on the yt comments if he thought it would be ok for me to charge at him with my plastic machete (if anyone remembers the pics I put up, it looks real enough that when brandished you'd not know it was plastic quickly enough to avoid brown trousers). He was implying it was ok because firing a paintball gun with no paintballs was like firing a toy gun which just made a noise - well that is rightly an offence too, if you do it in a threatening way.
I find it incredible that people can be so short sighted that they believe whatever anyone finds out afterwards makes a difference to the impact of a previous event. I mean forget the simple physics for a moment :lol: how about if somebody threatens a person with a syringe full of what appears to be blood, but it later turns out to be a theatrical prop which couldn't even scratch you, let alone contain real blood? By the flawed logic the excuseniks are peddling, that would be alright too... cocks.
I find it incredible that people can be so short sighted that they believe whatever anyone finds out afterwards makes a difference to the impact of a previous event. I mean forget the simple physics for a moment :lol: how about if somebody threatens a person with a syringe full of what appears to be blood, but it later turns out to be a theatrical prop which couldn't even scratch you, let alone contain real blood? By the flawed logic the excuseniks are peddling, that would be alright too... cocks.
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I've seen it said in quite a lot of places that if you use a RIF in a threatening manner in public, it carries the same sentence as if you were to use a real firearm.
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I just see this as further restrictions. It will only become more and more restrict... Until eventually, they just ban it completely. Would our guns be registered also? If so then there is the saying 'registration leads to confiscation'.
Airsoft guns will just be seen as 'guns'. Whether they fire BB's or real cartridges is irrelevant. The Government and General Public will see them as guns and won't make the differentiation.
As they did with real steel. Shooting got restricted more and more over the year's. And eventually, once registration became implemented, they were able to know who had guns and where they. And consequently certain disciplines were banned as a knee jerk reaction. The same could happen to Airsoft.
This piece of 'legislation' 'idea' or whatever you want to call it. Perhaps some of the idea's may sound quite appealing. Baring in mind this nations history though when it comes to guns. I really do think we shouldn't just sit back and accept it anymore. Actually stand up to this, don't let it pass. It will only get worse. Our history has proven this.
Some folk on here are talking as though the Government and Police are in control of this and can just 'ban' them. They can't unless we let them. If we stand up, say no, they aren't having them and put forward a defence for why we won't be handing them in. They can't ban them if there is too many of us standing up. They won't have enough room in all the prisons! Also with massive Airsoft YouTube Channels such as Scoutthedoggie, KeithHPOW, EPICAirsoftHD etc... All of them UK based and with 100's of thousands of subscribers between them and millions of viewer's. I'm sure we can get a petition going and make a good solid defence on this if required... People come abroad to play Airsoft in our nation. That's bringing in tourism! Any restrictions will be felt world wide.
Airsoft guns will just be seen as 'guns'. Whether they fire BB's or real cartridges is irrelevant. The Government and General Public will see them as guns and won't make the differentiation.
As they did with real steel. Shooting got restricted more and more over the year's. And eventually, once registration became implemented, they were able to know who had guns and where they. And consequently certain disciplines were banned as a knee jerk reaction. The same could happen to Airsoft.
This piece of 'legislation' 'idea' or whatever you want to call it. Perhaps some of the idea's may sound quite appealing. Baring in mind this nations history though when it comes to guns. I really do think we shouldn't just sit back and accept it anymore. Actually stand up to this, don't let it pass. It will only get worse. Our history has proven this.
Some folk on here are talking as though the Government and Police are in control of this and can just 'ban' them. They can't unless we let them. If we stand up, say no, they aren't having them and put forward a defence for why we won't be handing them in. They can't ban them if there is too many of us standing up. They won't have enough room in all the prisons! Also with massive Airsoft YouTube Channels such as Scoutthedoggie, KeithHPOW, EPICAirsoftHD etc... All of them UK based and with 100's of thousands of subscribers between them and millions of viewer's. I'm sure we can get a petition going and make a good solid defence on this if required... People come abroad to play Airsoft in our nation. That's bringing in tourism! Any restrictions will be felt world wide.
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