Cringe in Airsoft

[Tommikka]

Even more so after that dude got arrtested for shooting a gun in american after posting it on social media!!

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Except he didn’t

It is true that he legally used a gun in the US and posted photos online
But his arrest was in regard to a complaint regarding threatening someone else

 

[Cannonfodder]

But his arrest was in regard to a complaint regarding threatening someone else

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But why let the facts get in the way of a poorly thought out rant?

 

[Tommikka]

In all walks of life their are dickheads

Speedsofters whether ‘real’ or just dressed up have a reputation at general Airsoft games / walking
Equally speedballers whether ‘real’ or dressed up also have a reputation at general paintball games / walkons

 

[Tackle]

Re speedsofters, cant say ive knowingly met any or played against any of them, unfortunately pretty much every video ive ever seen showing "speedsofters" ?, has always shown them in a poor light, overshooting people with guns with ridiculous rates of fire, & then having a tantrum or row about it.
So if that's the limit of my experience, I'll guess its similar for other players, so not any wonder that assumptions are made, often incorrectly I guess ?

 

[ButcherBill]

Say what you like about KM or speedsoft but I for one would happily watch KM getting owned by a load of speedsofters.

 

[Anonymoose]

Say what you like about KM or speedsoft but I for one would happily watch KM getting owned by a load of speedsofters.

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I think we'd all enjoy seeing him getting point blank full auto'd in the face, while the shooter shouts "DEAL WITH IT, KAREN."

A proper taste of his own medecine.

 

[Brit1]

Agreed. I had it last skirmish a guy shouting to me to push but he him self wasn't moving. Then moaned I didn't move.

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this happens loads haha. normally some larger fellow shouting at advancing friendlies to keep pushing while sat comfortably back.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Re speedsofters, cant say ive knowingly met any or played against any of them, unfortunately pretty much every video ive ever seen showing "speedsofters" ?, has always shown them in a poor light, overshooting people with guns with ridiculous rates of fire, & then having a tantrum or row about it.
So if that's the limit of my experience, I'll guess its similar for other players, so not any wonder that assumptions are made, often incorrectly I guess ?

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This. The videos I've seen tend to show that too, but as goontube videos are so highly edited so I tend to take them with a big pinch of salt. However the few times I've come across speedsofters on site a noticable proportion of them fit the steriotype that they couldn't hit a thing without a stupidly high rof and spaffing rounds all over the place.

 

[Galvatron]

What qualifies a real Speedsofter is someone that actually plays Speedsoft …. I mean if I wear a f1 racing suit and helmet and drive my Ford fiesta to the shop does this make me a f1 driver ?

I never complained about anything I’m simply saying that it’s not the nicest of feeling going to cqb now and again and dealing with hate towards us and unpleasant behaviour towards us for absolutely no reason. Your dye wearing non hit calling over shooting cqb players are not speedsofters but because the lack of knowledge we get tarnished by that . Make it make sense bro ?

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No, an F1 driver needs a Super Licence for a start, which has a points-related competency. Using the word speedsoft in a definition of speedsofter is a circular definition. Try harder by putting forth a competency that a speedsofter is required to have without using the word.

I'll ask again. How can you verify that those speedsofters have never played in a speedsoft arena, only in CQB airsoft? If you can make that assertion without evidence, it can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Cannonfodder]

reality is we literally don’t move I think one full game of cqb is more moving than we do in a 8 hour session of Speedsoft lol

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Not moving doesn't sound very speedy to me. Perhaps you need to reexamine your definition of soeedsoft

 

[hunter511]

Re Speedsofters:

The problem is the opinion certain speedsofters have that any CQB site should conform to their playstyle. If I go to a specific speedsoft event I expect hpa'd capa's with murder boxes/m4 mags on them. I do not expect all players to use limited capacity mags.

However I have witnessed speedsofters turning up to a specifically marketed limited ammo no winding mags game at a cqb site and complaining bitterly that after having to scroll past this information no they couldn't use box mags on pistols etc.....

Also (as noted above) certain players do like to use "its okay in speedsoft" as an excuse for various pre-firing, overkilling etc shenanigans. "Sorry mate I was feathering the trigger (on a ridiculous rps setup with a binary trigger)" for example.

Cringe. When people use CoD terms to refer to real life "map" "game mode" "killstreak" for a few. Oh and "deagle".

 

[Tommikka]

noooo how can they be a speedsofter if they never even played Speedsoft ? They literally just cqb players in dye masks lol which is funny actually cuz speedsofters don’t actually wear dye masks and we definitely don’t run around like these headless chicken dye masks wearing cqb guys that said I’ve seen one or two of them guys try Speedsoft for the first time and they usually go home early because they think Speedsoft is running around like they do in cqb lol reality is we literally don’t move I think one full game of cqb is more moving than we do in a 8 hour session of Speedsoft lol

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Not moving doesn't sound very speedy to me. Perhaps you need to reexamine your definition of soeedsoft

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You’ve said it there @Rogue88 with “speed soft not being about running”
Sounds like you are describing tournament play, and have contradicted your definition of a ‘real speedsofter’

Speedball is a style of playing paintball, commonly associated with paintball tournaments but is only one tiny element of the style for closing off to take the point
I expect the same of Airsoft tournaments


Speedsoft / speedball as aggressive running around in sprints aligns very well with enclosed / CQB environments and especially so when there is something to be gained from the suicide run element (especially with prompt respawn methods)

 

[Rogue88]

You’ve said it there @Rogue88 with “speed soft not being about running”
Sounds like you are describing tournament play, and have contradicted your definition of a ‘real speedsofter’

Speedball is a style of playing paintball, commonly associated with paintball tournaments but is only one tiny element of the style for closing off to take the point
I expect the same of Airsoft tournaments


Speedsoft / speedball as aggressive running around in sprints aligns very well with enclosed / CQB environments and especially so when there is something to be gained from the suicide run element (especially with prompt respawn methods

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You’ve said it there @Rogue88 with “speed soft not being about running”
Sounds like you are describing tournament play, and have contradicted your definition of a ‘real speedsofter’

Speedball is a style of playing paintball, commonly associated with paintball tournaments but is only one tiny element of the style for closing off to take the point
I expect the same of Airsoft tournaments


Speedsoft / speedball as aggressive running around in sprints aligns very well with enclosed / CQB environments and especially so when there is something to be gained from the suicide run element (especially with prompt respawn methods)

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Where you get any of that information from ? As it’s entirely incorrect. Speedsoft is Speedsoft there are no variations. it has only one single game mode. There is no aggressive running around ( you will literally be out instantly if you try run around lol ) there are no respawns either . If I played cqb anything like I would Speedsoft I’d never see anyone because I’d be sat on a corner 10ft from spawn and not move the entire game because that’s pretty much what Speedsoft is . Does the community think there is multiple Speedsoft styles or something ? I’m so confused Speedsoft is Speedsoft there’s no variations no multiple game modes … you can’t play Speedsoft at say a cqb site that’s impossible . I’m starting to see the community doesn’t really actually know what Speedsoft ever is “Speed” in the word Speedsoft is nothing more than a term for “short fast games” has nothing to do with movement speed / running / aggressive play … literally just means short games.

Ain’t no Speedsofter at cqb site running around all crazy he will be sat on a corner just one ball pop shots all game long never to be seen out of cover.
Speedsoft is a very slow game of angles why does the community think Speedsoft is running around all crazy shooting million BBs playing super aggressive? Because that’s the complete opposite of what Speedsoft is and how speedsofters play … massive misconception in the community about Speedsoft and what it is by looks of it

 

[Austeyr]

There is no aggressive running around

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"Speedsoft is a high-octane, fast-paced variation of airsoft that emphasizes quick thinking, rapid movement, and precise shooting. Unlike traditional airsoft games, which often involve large, outdoor environments and mimic real-world military operations, speedsoft is typically played in smaller, indoor arenas with a focus on speed and agility."

What is Speedsoft? An Insightful Overview | Evike Europe

Uncover the thrilling realm of Speedsoft with Evike Europe. Learn what Speedsoft is, its origins, and how it differs from traditional airsoft.

evike-europe.com

"Speedsoft is fast-paced and typically lends to a more aggressive style of play. It requires speed and quick thinking in order to reach your objective and eliminate your opponents."
"speedsoft players often opt for a more minimal loadout, as the game requires rapid movements, slides, dives and quick shooting. "
"As well as moving fast, you'll also need to shoot fast. "

What is Speedsoft?

www.mayhempaintball.co.uk

"Speedsoft is a super fast-paced style of airsoft that is played with speed and aggression. The game is all about speed, so players need to be quick on their feet and have fast reflexes."
"In a speedsoft match, players will often run and jump around the battlefield, using close-quarters weapons such as pistols and submachine guns. Games are typically fast-paced and relatively short"

What is Speedsoft? The Sporty Variation of Traditional Airsoft

WHAT IS SPEEDSOFT? Speedsoft is a super fast-paced style of airsoft that is played with speed and aggression. The game is all about speed, so players need to be quick on their feet and have fast reflexes. Speedsoft is played with two opposing teams, and the objective of the game is to eliminate...

mirtactical.com

So that's five sources from a quick google suggesting the complete opposite of what you've claimed...

 

[Lyndication]

FWIW having watched actual Speedsoft games from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Japan where the style is most popular, the speed aspect is really important.

I think Rogue is referring to competitive play generally when saying they never move, because that's what happens when everyone is just taking a lane and waiting. Actual contests are timed and a team rolls out with a specific game plan to try and push aggressively so they don't lose initiative. Teams that are good at it are coordinated, skilled, and yes, speedy.

It's a very fun and quick format to watch sometimes but very, very different to a typical Sunday skirmish.

People then half adopt aspects of it much as people always do in a hobby, and then try to play a regular pickup game with that mentality. This always causes friction.

In a previous life I used to play a lot of Warhammer 40K. I had a very "fluffy" set of lists, where I'd customised my lil guys to fit a theme and it wasn't optimal but hey, we got cool photos and you hung around with some regulars to have good chat.

Every now and then our lil fluff pile would have someone try out or come in with a tournament list, and the dissonance was always hard. Unthemed, often unpainted, missing what we thought was the spirit of the game in exchange for ending said game ASAP with a win. For a lot of us, who won actually didn't matter, it was the dumb stories it generated like my Company Commander fighting a Chaos Lord in close combat all game, inflicting exactly one wound a turn while making every save. Against all odds, he won, and then was gunned down for his insolence. (My friend later gifted me a painted Lord helmet to glue to his base to commemorate that game haha).

I think it's similar in Airsoft where you have very different ways of playing and objectives that players are seeking. I approach it in the same way I did 40K: I don't care who wins, I'm just having fun with friends and making some silly stories.

I think events need to have more discussion, and players need to actually listen, on what vibe the event is trying to foster. Hardcore, stitch counting MilSim that's more LARP than game? Ultrafast timed Speedsoft KOTH? Something in between, that needs definition?

I've rambled way too much on this already though. It's been rattling around in my head for a hot minute.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Less of a cringeworthy thing, more of an annoyance but here goes

Sites outdoor sites with really short test ranges. How do they expect players to be able to set their hops and zero sights if the range is only 15 - 20 metres long?

I’m starting to see the community doesn’t really actually know what Speedsoft ever is

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[Mtemprell]

outdoor sites with really short test ranges. How do they expect players to be able to set their hops and zero sights if the range is only 15 - 20 metres long?

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This, i agree. Can understand if a site is space limited or restricted by boundaries but most woodland sites have space to make at least a good 50m range and have targets set up at varying increments so one every day 10m.

 

[n00b1982]

Apologies if it’s already been said, but what I find as biggest cringe is when you have people in the safe zone telling others what they “should” do with their kit or what they have to “do” or “add” for it to be right.

This follows on from someone telling me that I shouldn’t wear black multicam in the trees as it’s wrong for the environment. Are they technically correct - yes. Did it mean I also made it my personal mission to hunt him down every game? Also yes! But we are at an average engagement of 50m or so in woodland. Unless you’re in a ghillie and stationary, camo doesn’t matter anyway.

But ultimately, nobody needs to do anything other than what they want! It’s airsoft. As long as they’re have with their RIF’s/kit then why should anyone tell them what they have to do without being asked?

 

[Tommikka]

This follows on from someone telling me that I shouldn’t wear black multicam in the trees as it’s wrong for the environment.

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I was playing in a temperate DPM shirt and desert DPM trousers, so I was told in the safe zone that it’s all wrong - “No, I’m just comfortable”
Then in game I was told that my camouflage was actually right as everytime I knealt down my desert legs disappeared in the dusty dry dirt and my green top faded against the bushes & tree line - “No, I’m just comfortable”

 

[Lyndication]

Oh my group wears CCE jackets and DDPM trousers dyed slightly brown for the same reason.

I do have to say that you can absolutely spot someone in black way, way further away and make out their silhouette easier than someone in camo.

But if you're having fun it's whatever.