The 'How Did Your Airsoft Day Go? Thread

it might be worth people putting in a bit more information to these reports to give other people and idea of where, what type of site, average numbers etc. Something like this maybe:
Site Name: XXX Airsoft
County: North Haverbrook
Site Type: Woodland with Village
Player Numbers: 100
Toilets/Battery Charging/Food/Shop: yes/yes/yes/yes

Just a thought.
 
it might be worth people putting in a bit more information to these reports to give other people and idea of where, what type of site, average numbers etc. Something like this maybe:
Site Name: XXX Airsoft
County: North Haverbrook
Site Type: Woodland with Village
Player Numbers: 100
Toilets/Battery Charging/Food/Shop: yes/yes/yes/yes

Just a thought.
I am sure that there used to be a section for site reviews, which contained that sort of information; if there was, it seems to have disappeared.
 
I am not arguing that sites should do nothing.
you are , and then replied with well my lawyer friend said , if a site dose not chrono everyone that plays , they will be liable for injury if it occurs, is trust a valid safety check , no, is a chrono? 99% of sites in the uk say yes and it is standard practice with insurance to run airsoft ,
 
you are , and then replied with well my lawyer friend said , if a site dose not chrono everyone that plays , they will be liable for injury if it occurs, is trust a valid safety check , no, is a chrono? 99% of sites in the uk say yes and it is standard practice with insurance to run airsoft ,
I think you need to learn how to understand what you read. I am arguing that chronoing has serious flaws to the point where it is more of a ritual than a useful process and that sites should not rely on it to ensure that all guns are within limits when in play. 99% of sites are wrong. I am NOT arguing that trust is a valid safety check either. Proactive monitoring with permanent bans for transgressors would probably be more effective.

Just as an example of why chronoing is not a reliable process, a while ago I went to a site that has a limit of 1.13J for full auto capable weapons. As usual, I had two rifles with me; the first one chrono'd at 1.08J, the second at 1.15J. My response to the second one was "Oh shit! I won't be using that one then. No problem" or similar words. The chrono marshal just put a tag on it and said "No, mate; you're good to go with that." I didn't use it.

When we had airsoft insurance it did NOT require us to chrono every gun at every event. I cannot remember the exact wording, but it required chronoing of guns that were new to the site or which had been worked on since last being at the site, which again relies on players to be honest. I know that condition was not unusual as I asked site owners if it was the same as theirs.

My friend was giving an opinion based on his years of experience of how negligence cases tend to go if they get to court.
 
As someone who has played airsoft for 20+ years, I could easily cheat chrono if I wanted to in a number of different ways. I value my word, reputation, and general morality far more than getting a very slight advantage in weekend BB wars in the woods though (not to mention committing a crime if the gun is too hot).

When I played in Spain as a teenager way back when there were no airsoft sites, just a bunch of us silly buggers going to abandoned urbanisations to play BB wars and self-regulating, we never chronoed. However, I don't actually remember any issues with hot guns and hit calling was generally better too, which always amused me. It worked because while there was no official structure in place to run things or enforce any rules, if you got a reputation as a bit of a cunt, you simply didn't get invited back. Banned from the forum we used to organise, generally ostracised by the community etc. though this never actually happened because everyone behaved.

Legally, I think airsoft will always occupy a grey area here, and it's basically our collective responsibility to behave ourselves and not draw the Eye of Sauron to our already limited hobby. We don't want to give the media headlines...
 
The reason for sites to chrono, at least as far as insurance liability goes, isnt to absolutely prevent all forms of intentional cheating.

Its to provide a "reasonable" attempt at getting the unintentional or lazy cheating.

A great example is joule creep. It is absolutely possible for people who dont understand its a thing to not realise that their gat that passes just fine on .2's to be spicy on their in-game .4's.

Chrono practice should (and i'm under no illusion that in many cases it doesnt) be able to catch these people, or those who have bought a new gat that they assumed was kosher only to find out its not.

There's also the folk who dont understand physics, yes we have many in this hobby who absolutely do know that fps=/=joules and why that matters but we shouldnt expect the general public including literal kids to have that knowledge. A common gripe of mine is that often the one person who does need that knowledge (aka the marshall on chrono) often doesnt either.

Yes you're gonna have a hell of a time stopping the determined and educated cheaters, but that doesnt mean you don't try to catch the inadvertant or accidental cases.
 
The only way to completely eradicate it would be to attach barrel chronos to all guns and have it link up to a central device which is monitored actively by a marshal. That way you would have live chronos all the time, but that way is too expensive and a massive pain in the ass lol so will never happen.
 
The only way to completely eradicate it would be to attach barrel chronos to all guns and have it link up to a central device which is monitored actively by a marshal. That way you would have live chronos all the time, but that way is too expensive and a massive pain in the ass lol so will never happen.
You would also need to confirm the weight of everyone’s BBs and ensure that they are using the weight that they had stated.
 
You would also need to confirm the weight of everyone’s BBs and ensure that they are using the weight that they had stated.
The site I play often actually does this; they even check that everyone is using bio BBs. Have to give them a few BBs from a mag when chronoing and it gets tested.

Been a few times people have been called off the field by the admin who tests them, as the weights were wrong or they were not Bios
 
The site I play often actually does this; they even check that everyone is using bio BBs. Have to give them a few BBs from a mag when chronoing and it gets tested.

Been a few times people have been called off the field by the admin who tests them, as the weights were wrong or they were not Bios
If that is only done when chronoing, it does not tell you what they are using in the field.
 
I think you need to learn how to understand what you read. I am arguing that chronoing has serious flaws to the point where it is more of a ritual than a useful process and that sites should not rely on it to ensure that all guns are within limits when in play. 99% of sites are wrong. I am NOT arguing that trust is a valid safety check either. Proactive monitoring with permanent bans for transgressors would probably be more effective.

Just as an example of why chronoing is not a reliable process, a while ago I went to a site that has a limit of 1.13J for full auto capable weapons. As usual, I had two rifles with me; the first one chrono'd at 1.08J, the second at 1.15J. My response to the second one was "Oh shit! I won't be using that one then. No problem" or similar words. The chrono marshal just put a tag on it and said "No, mate; you're good to go with that." I didn't use it.

When we had airsoft insurance it did NOT require us to chrono every gun at every event. I cannot remember the exact wording, but it required chronoing of guns that were new to the site or which had been worked on since last being at the site, which again relies on players to be honest. I know that condition was not unusual as I asked site owners if it was the same as theirs.

My friend was giving an opinion based on his years of experience of how negligence cases tend to go if they get to court.
I just found the actual wording from our insurance; there was no requirement to chrono all guns at every event.

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Chrono practice can be really self defeating sometimes. My regular site checks joules with a chart of FPS values against BB weights. Nice and easy.

Went to another site that was still doing ye olde "chrono on .2s". One, this is a faff because they had to load your mags for you with their BBs then chrono. Two, I do not have my hop set for .2s. In fact I cannot set my hops for .2 because they're GBBRs and turning the hop off that much means the action punts the BB away down the barrel before firing.

The result of which is that one gun chrono'd stupidly low despite being at their DMR limit on the BB weight I would actually use. They told me to bump it up a little if I could, (I didn't). The other actually chrono'd stupid high because the BB was basically squeezed tight by the bucking since it was tuned for heavier BBs in a gun prone to pushing BBs past the hop patch. So that actually failed chrono, but since it was semi locked, I just ran it as a DMR.

I then noticed throughout the day the sheer number of short barrel HPA bolt actions in use by regulars, and that it would be the perfect build to maximise creep after chrono. Which might explain some zingers I caught.

We didn't go back. It was also poorly marshalled and they set the first hour of gameplay in a literal uphill push through brambles. We dipped before the last game.
 
Chrono practice can be really self defeating sometimes. My regular site checks joules with a chart of FPS values against BB weights. Nice and easy.

Went to another site that was still doing ye olde "chrono on .2s". One, this is a faff because they had to load your mags for you with their BBs then chrono. Two, I do not have my hop set for .2s. In fact I cannot set my hops for .2 because they're GBBRs and turning the hop off that much means the action punts the BB away down the barrel before firing.

The result of which is that one gun chrono'd stupidly low despite being at their DMR limit on the BB weight I would actually use. They told me to bump it up a little if I could, (I didn't). The other actually chrono'd stupid high because the BB was basically squeezed tight by the bucking since it was tuned for heavier BBs in a gun prone to pushing BBs past the hop patch. So that actually failed chrono, but since it was semi locked, I just ran it as a DMR.

I then noticed throughout the day the sheer number of short barrel HPA bolt actions in use by regulars, and that it would be the perfect build to maximise creep after chrono. Which might explain some zingers I caught.

We didn't go back. It was also poorly marshalled and they set the first hour of gameplay in a literal uphill push through brambles. We dipped before the last game.
That sounds like an "interesting site"; would you be willing to name it so that we all know to avoid it?
 
Chrono practice can be really self defeating sometimes. My regular site checks joules with a chart of FPS values against BB weights. Nice and easy.

yep, keep some speedloaders in common weights on hand incase you have reason to doubt a players claim, and make sure there's a hard backstop to the chrono range so you can hear a reason to doubt a players claim.

then just tape a strip of paper with the fps conversions for each bb weight at the site joule limit on the chrono so you don't have to re-set the weight settings or try to do math on the fly.

Went to another site that was still doing ye olde "chrono on .2s". One, this is a faff because they had to load your mags for you with their BBs then chrono. Two, I do not have my hop set for .2s. In fact I cannot set my hops for .2 because they're GBBRs and turning the hop off that much means the action punts the BB away down the barrel before firing.

yep, guns do fucky things when the hop is all the way on or all the way off, best to set with the setting you're gonna use in game.

the other issue with .2's is ofc the gats that will legimitately come up kosher only for them to be spicy when the player puts their game weight in. no malice required only ignorance.


my other favourite is not bothering to chrono pistols, unless they're co2, because it's simply not possible to drop a longer barrel in.......
 
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