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mightyjebus
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It's a bit of a stupid ban. Crossbows have been about for 2500 years or so. You can make them from sticks (
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTuzEFQNSU4
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It seems to be more about control of the population than saving lives. I'd imagine bows and arrows will be next.
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It seems to be more about control of the population than saving lives. I'd imagine bows and arrows will be next.
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The lengthy history of crossbows is irrelevant. There seem to be two main arguments against the new approach:
1. Criminals don't follow the rules. Indeed they do not; however, that is the argument of despair: "We can only have limited impact so let's not do anything".
2. It is about taking away freedoms/controlling the population. A small percentage of the population own crossbows; if a government wanted to control the population, they would probably do something far more effective. Living in society requires us to work within a balance of freedoms and limitations in order for that society to function; we trade off some freedoms in return for the benefits of being part of society; that involves compromise, which some people seem more capable of than others.
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Th best way I heard it put was my freedom stops where my neighbour's freedom starts
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Using a self defence argument for owning a crossbow is a real walloper, but there's always one I guess. Imagining this guy getting his goats foot lever out to rearm the crossbow after missing did make me laugh.
Personally the less inspiration we draw from the States, the better. Half the folk I know there are emigrating rn.
I think if you're in a very online bubble and don't actually go outside much, it does seem very scary out here and maybe an Emotional Support Pistol seems necessary to you as a result.
Having had my share of bad encounters and having lived in the cheapest part of every city I've moved to, I'm pretty glad firearms are pretty rare here. I've never had one pulled on me. Never seen one outside of a couple of overpriced range sessions. Had a knife pulled on me once but it was a jakey who could barely stand up, so I just walked away.
Personally the less inspiration we draw from the States, the better. Half the folk I know there are emigrating rn.
I think if you're in a very online bubble and don't actually go outside much, it does seem very scary out here and maybe an Emotional Support Pistol seems necessary to you as a result.
Having had my share of bad encounters and having lived in the cheapest part of every city I've moved to, I'm pretty glad firearms are pretty rare here. I've never had one pulled on me. Never seen one outside of a couple of overpriced range sessions. Had a knife pulled on me once but it was a jakey who could barely stand up, so I just walked away.
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Yes. I have a highly skeptical feeling that licensing is less about making things safer and more about fiscal benefits for the gov (not just this one, but all of them) imposed via licensing and fines though. Its a win - win for them as it looks like they are doing the pearl clutching and saving us all. And yet knifecrime...If it wasn't a cross bow used as a weapon - it would have been something else.
But where does it end with this sort of fiscal generation...Electric vehicles pay per mile, ULEZ, Kitchen knives at pay per slice next? (Gordon Ramsey will be VERY angry!) Or maybe they should do a BB tax where we get charged 2p per BB we fire? 10p per headshot? 6p per breath we take? Maybe 1p per 100 steps I take if using a dilapidated poor excuse of a public footpath? An Umbrella license anyone? (very dangerous!!) Or even a Lawnmower noise permit? (The noise Esmeralda, the noise!) A license to carry deep heat perhaps? A Dog bark permit? License to hammer on a Sunday morning? (Some people can be "driven to a rage" and "totally lose control" over things like this!) Screwdriver surcharge? A glass bottle and pint carrying permit for pubs and clubs? Potted‑plant weapon certificate where we can register houseplants over a certain pot size? (They'd make a fortune out of the wife!)
Hopefully no one from the gov is reading this - I don't want them getting any ideas!
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Tactical Pith Helmet
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Micheal Ryan was carrying a loaded pistol daily. His workmates and boss apparently knew. If someone had called the plod, he would have lost license and guns due to carrying a pistol in public loaded, and with no good reason. IIRC Hamilton wouldn't have passed a DBS check. He shouldn't have had a license. Bird and the Plymouth shooter would these days have been flagged by their GP due to anger issues. They shouldn't have had guns.
All could have killed more innocent victims with household products and ingenuity, or a large vehicle. Access to firearms made things easier for them perhaps.
That's an argument for total bans on anything potentially harmful, or a plea for proper funding and training of our police, NHS and court, and various other public services.
Not knocking Bill's point at all, just adding to it. I'm deeply saddened for victims and the damaged people that do such things, and I wish that we had a society organised and trained, resourced, and willing to spot damaged people, safeguard us from them and them from themselves, and to treat them. No one is beyond help; we just decide as a society to ration it inappropriately to everyone's detriment.
I've worked with people who've committed horrible criminal acts; I cannot remember any that did not cross paths with professional services before doing what ever they did.
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