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cheaters (rant)

I've never said bang. I've put my barrel into the back of someone and said if you don't put your hand up I'll shoot you. He put his hand up thankfully.

Pretty sure @ImTriggerHappy has shot me in the mangina at the mall before.. then proceeded to kill the rest of the team stacked behind. Teaches us to stand at a corner for too long..

 
Listen as far as I'm concerned the 'bang' situation should be taken similar to how armed response officers shout compliances out - The opposing person could still shoot them.

If like someone else in this thread said, I find myself in a situation where someones barrel is honestly at such a distance and where I could not possibly react in time whilst aiming at something like my goggles. Honestly, I'll take the bang. 

>HOWEVER<
 

If you expect me to take a bang from across a room, you're stupid. Shoot me

 
Some of the sites i play have a surender rule. If your with in a certain distance and have the drop you can say surrender.  But if they twitch shoot um this rule is explaind in the safety briefing vid before the games start that way there is missunderstanding after all you doing them a favour by not shooting them up close. They also have knife kills where you can just use your hand to touch them and say knife kill. Its best not to get them mixed up . Not only will you get shot from about 3 ft away but the 2 marshals and site owner who are stood there will absolutely rip the piss out of you

 
I had a weird dilemma on sunday actually.

I was inside a shop at The Mall, and a yellow (opposing) player was just outside the door.

The shop was pretty dark, so he didn't know I was there and he was pretty close so I showed a bit of mercy and got him in the thigh.

He then stopped what he was doing and looked round confused and carried on.

Then I shot him again. Same thing - looked from behind him and carried on.

I then yelled "I'm in here mate!" and shot him again. And he said he thought it was his yellow team shooting him by mistake from down the concourse.

I suppose technically, the guy was cheating.. as team kills count as kills, but I don't think he was doing it intentionally.

Ah well, it didn't bother me as I got the guy out eventually and he didn't get shitty about it *shrug*

 
I don't mind the bang rule, or colour call - whatever you call them.. but I'd much prefer to take the hit. As others have mentioned, it is a courtesy thing. There's a fair bit of noise and confusion going on in your average game so it can be easy to miss somebody going "bang". Then there's reaction times and whatnot. Much easier just to shoot first ask questions later, especially in an average skirmish. I won't complain either way. 

 
I suppose technically, the guy was cheating.. as team kills count as kills, but I don't think he was doing it intentionally


He absolutely was cheating, he was definitely doing it intentionally, and he is unquestionably worse than Hitler and should be full autod with real steel.

Although a bit seriously, he was a dishonourable rotter and if he was trying to get away with that, what else was he up to?

 
I then yelled "I'm in here mate!" and shot him again. And he said he thought it was his yellow team shooting him by mistake from down the concourse.

I suppose technically, the guy was cheating.. as team kills count as kills, but I don't think he was doing it intentionally.
Had a fair few problems with this issue on Sunday. It gets briefed but still people go what colour are you like it matters.

 
Had a fair few problems with this issue on Sunday. It gets briefed but still people go what colour are you like it matters.


Aye.

Had another one where I was in the door of Salisbury's looking down towards candy land and a guy popped out from the next door way and I shot him.

Next thing I know he's waving at me through the glass, going "mate, what colour are you?!"

"Green"

"Oh.."

Like, why would it matter. My BB hit you, doesn't matter if you're yellow or green. 

Hand up and shut up.

 
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Aye.

Had another one where I was in the door of Salisbury's looking down towards candy land and a guy popped out from the next door way and I shot him.

Next thing I know he's waving at me through the glass, going "mate, what colour are you?!"

"Green"

"Oh.."

Like, why would it matter. My BB hit you, doesn't matter if you're yellow or green. 

Hand up and shut up.
I had one who shot me and then asked what colour I was and when I replied "dead men dont talk" got "you can at least say what fucking colour you are".

That created an interesting chat.

 
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I don’t understand it, if a BB hits you then you’re out. Fuck off back to spawn and complain about the teamkill loudly in the safe zone like everyone else. 

 
I'm now primed to respond "Black".

The colour of Operator.  Always bet on it.

 
I don’t get why you would need to ask someone’s colour after you’ve eliminated them.  It’s irrelevant unless they shot you when in doubt of who you are

It’s more relevant to challenge someone for their colour if there is doubt - and be ready to shoot them if they are on the opposition or aren’t replying

With bang kills, tags, knife kills, surrenders etc it’s my opinion to have the following:

I’m not keen on a ‘bang’ kill if it’s just an assumption that you could eliminate someone, but it’s close up so you just say ‘bang’ and expect a kill

It is gentlemanly to a degree, but unless there’s a particular reason to be avoiding close up shooting then my preference is to allow for ‘tags’ and ‘surrenders’

In almost any game that I write the rules for I include tags and surrenders. The only times they don’t apply is when the game theme or type of game isn’t suitable.

A tag is a kill, and involves player one getting up close and touching player two.  This could be a gentlemanly kill by not shooting up close, or a sneaky kill because player one has managed to get in amongst the enemy - player one doesn’t want to give themselves away by shooting, so wanders around tapping players on the shoulder quietly telling them they are out. 

Unless player one has cheated their way behind enemy lines then I value their sneakiness.

A surrender is a choice - player one gets up close, asks for surrender, but player two has the option of taking a kill or fighting back

Player one could be bluffing and be out of ammunition, and get lucky or get caught out

Or player one may be acting gentlemanly, giving player two the option of accepting the kill, but could need to shoot first if player two doesn’t want to surrender and tries to fight back

Problems occur when people think they are under different rules, which can often be the case with the majority of players being regulars who know the site rules (or think they do) and also when some players use the rules they like as opposed to the organisers

rules

 
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TL;DR version of anyone viewing this thread: Bang rule is stupid. Surrender rules have potential. Tag/knife kills are fine

Also: I'm pretty sure The Mall routinely takes the piss out of the bang rule.

@Duff may be able to clarify that

 
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I'm now primed to respond "Black".

The colour of Operator.  Always bet on it.
I'm a dirty scumbag, if I'm yellow and know its blue I'll respond blue. Only happened a couple of times and people were not happy  :lol: . Not against the rules so why not.

 
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I'm a dirty scumbag, if I'm yellow and know its blue I'll respond blue. Only happened a couple of times and people were not happy  :lol: . Not against the rules so why not.




Strange, Majority of sites I've played have the rule that you cannot lie about your colour. you either reply that you are the same colour or don't say anything at all.

 
Majority of sites I've played have the rule that you cannot lie about your colour.


Hmm, I've not heard it mentioned.

I do agree that it's a bit whiffy though, so tend not to respond. Especially to Sergeant McShouties who seem to think that I'm obliged to.

 
I'm a dirty scumbag, if I'm yellow and know its blue I'll respond blue. Only happened a couple of times and people were not happy  :lol: . Not against the rules so why not.
Not cheating but shows a poor level of sportsmanship ? Just don’t answer and let them decide what they want to do about the situation ?

Any hoo if anyone genuinely gets the drop on me and uses some form of ‘bang rule’ and there really is no way I could get them then I’m more than happy to take the kill ,

A; if they’ve got the drop on me fair and square then theres something particularly satisfying about sneaking up on an enemy player and getting close enough to call them out , so I’m more than happy to let them have that moment of smugness !  :D

B; you hope the other player will put a single in to you but it don’t always happen , last time at a site with no bang/surrender rule an enemy player got me dead to rights from the side and no way I could of got him before he shot me and he then proceeded to put 3 singles in too me at barely 6ft , now they really f**king hurt a lot , 1 was even a bleeder .

Now I know all the the ‘hard men’ out there will start with the old matcho crap ,

“man up !”

Don’t be a pussy !”

If you can’t take it don’t play !”

But my response to that is “bollox to you pal ! “ I get shot I get shot , I get hosed on full auto by a player in the minimum engagement ? tuff luck on me for allowing it to happen ! I get a bleeder from a sniper in the same situation? Same again tuff ! But why am I expected to accept getting shot to an extent that I bleed when I didn't really need to ? I don’t play to inflict actual physical injurys on the opersition . I play to just enjoy my self , and i’d hope it was the same for them . 

 
Strange, Majority of sites I've played have the rule that you cannot lie about your colour. you either reply that you are the same colour or don't say anything at all.
I think it's the old "Flash!" "Bang!" thing and clackers during the ww2 when Jerry caught a load of Brits after they found a clacker... I say why not, dog eat dog; saying this though, I haven't come across it yet nor do I intend to use that method.

 
at first and only you can either state your true colour or shut your mouth and say nothing. especially in cqb. once one does it, everyone would.

 
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