Ian_Gere
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OK, so we often get to a point in a discussion where we want some evidence. Some of us have done a bit of experimentation and this is evidence we can be pretty sure we can trust, because we can ask the posters how they did their experiment, etc. so we can gauge for ourselves how much the inevitable assumptions, ignored variables, incomplete methodology, etc. affected the results.
I'm going to kick off with one which I've just completed:
Is there really a bubble inside BB's and, if there is, is it bang in the middle where its presence ought not to affect the flight of the BB much, if at all?
I've decided that embedding the pics full size is the way forward - we've all got access to broadband these days (or filters built into our phone browsers to prevent us wasting DL Data on massive pics), have we not, so why make people click links or thumbnails? Un-cropped, the veracity of my claim that the pics are exactly as taken can be ascertained from the meta data, should anyone disbelieve me... :wacko:
The BB's I had to hand...
ASG Blaster 0.2g / Madbull Tan 0.4g / ASG Blaster Devil 0.3g / P&J (taiwangun.com own brand) 0.32g / Vanaras Tan 0.4g / BB King 0.2g
The Methodology
I just pulled the BB's out at random. Most of them are sawn part way through using my Dremmel and then split the rest of the way with a knife. I did it that way because cutting them with a pair of wire cutters squeezed the plastic into the centre in a way which looked like it would hide any interior cavities, as you can see in the 1st Blaster 0.2g. Who can say just how representative a sample these are, but hey, these are the ones that popped out...
ASG Blaster 0.2g
The dirt came off the cutters.
'Kknows where the red tint came from :lol:
I had never noticed any sign of bubbles inside BB's before and I have seen plenty of shattered BB pieces. I have a sticky target set up at one end of the longest dimension of my flat and almost every time I shoot it on full-auto BB fragments end up all over the floor - just goes to show that I haven't paid much attention I suppose, because literally the 2nd one out of the bottle had what looks like 3 tiny bubbles at its centre. Even the 1st one, which is pretty mangled, has a bit in what was its centre that looks as if it could have been a concave surface...
Madbull Tan 0.4g (which cost me £24.09 posted for 2000):
Literally the 1st one out of the pot, ffs, and the bubbles aren't even in the centre!
Closer, but still no politically correct vape...
3 for 3... quite frankly at that price I'm loath to cut any more of them up, even though my SVD hop rubber (the make of which I've forgotten) can't lift them properly, despite being just able to lift Vanaras 0.4g's all the way (but that's a subject for another experiment/discussion).
ASG Blaster Devil 0.3g
Oh joy! The BB's I'd have put money on to be the most internally homogenous of those I had to hand, based on the consistency of their performance when shot, and the very 1st one out of the bottle has an anomaly way off centre...
This one appears to be pretty good, but not perfect.
Vanaras Tan 0.4g (which were also usually expensive):
That at least looks pretty central... (although I managed to get 4000 relatively cheap so I wouldn't have felt as disappointed as when I split the Madbulls)
Hmmm...
P&J 0.32g (the heaviest white BB's currently in production):
Errrr... what can I tell you?
The distribution of the grey colour is not homogenous, but there doesn't seem to be any actual cavities. Interestingly (to nerds like me) the distribution of grey doesn't show as marbling on the outside, they are just a consistent off white, which I am going to infer results from polishing. Unlike above where colouration has resulted from random cack which has come off the tools, these really do have something grey inside them, it's just that it doesn't show that well (he added lamely :lol: )...
BB King 0.2g (the cheapest decent BB's there are):
Listen people, you've read what I did and you've seen what happened. For now I'm not going to say another word.
I'm going to kick off with one which I've just completed:
Is there really a bubble inside BB's and, if there is, is it bang in the middle where its presence ought not to affect the flight of the BB much, if at all?
I've decided that embedding the pics full size is the way forward - we've all got access to broadband these days (or filters built into our phone browsers to prevent us wasting DL Data on massive pics), have we not, so why make people click links or thumbnails? Un-cropped, the veracity of my claim that the pics are exactly as taken can be ascertained from the meta data, should anyone disbelieve me... :wacko:
The BB's I had to hand...
ASG Blaster 0.2g / Madbull Tan 0.4g / ASG Blaster Devil 0.3g / P&J (taiwangun.com own brand) 0.32g / Vanaras Tan 0.4g / BB King 0.2g
The Methodology
I just pulled the BB's out at random. Most of them are sawn part way through using my Dremmel and then split the rest of the way with a knife. I did it that way because cutting them with a pair of wire cutters squeezed the plastic into the centre in a way which looked like it would hide any interior cavities, as you can see in the 1st Blaster 0.2g. Who can say just how representative a sample these are, but hey, these are the ones that popped out...
ASG Blaster 0.2g
The dirt came off the cutters.
'Kknows where the red tint came from :lol:
I had never noticed any sign of bubbles inside BB's before and I have seen plenty of shattered BB pieces. I have a sticky target set up at one end of the longest dimension of my flat and almost every time I shoot it on full-auto BB fragments end up all over the floor - just goes to show that I haven't paid much attention I suppose, because literally the 2nd one out of the bottle had what looks like 3 tiny bubbles at its centre. Even the 1st one, which is pretty mangled, has a bit in what was its centre that looks as if it could have been a concave surface...
Madbull Tan 0.4g (which cost me £24.09 posted for 2000):
Literally the 1st one out of the pot, ffs, and the bubbles aren't even in the centre!
Closer, but still no politically correct vape...
3 for 3... quite frankly at that price I'm loath to cut any more of them up, even though my SVD hop rubber (the make of which I've forgotten) can't lift them properly, despite being just able to lift Vanaras 0.4g's all the way (but that's a subject for another experiment/discussion).
ASG Blaster Devil 0.3g
Oh joy! The BB's I'd have put money on to be the most internally homogenous of those I had to hand, based on the consistency of their performance when shot, and the very 1st one out of the bottle has an anomaly way off centre...
This one appears to be pretty good, but not perfect.
Vanaras Tan 0.4g (which were also usually expensive):
That at least looks pretty central... (although I managed to get 4000 relatively cheap so I wouldn't have felt as disappointed as when I split the Madbulls)
Hmmm...
P&J 0.32g (the heaviest white BB's currently in production):
Errrr... what can I tell you?
The distribution of the grey colour is not homogenous, but there doesn't seem to be any actual cavities. Interestingly (to nerds like me) the distribution of grey doesn't show as marbling on the outside, they are just a consistent off white, which I am going to infer results from polishing. Unlike above where colouration has resulted from random cack which has come off the tools, these really do have something grey inside them, it's just that it doesn't show that well (he added lamely :lol: )...
BB King 0.2g (the cheapest decent BB's there are):
Listen people, you've read what I did and you've seen what happened. For now I'm not going to say another word.
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