Prescription glasses and airsoft

clumpyedge said:
This was a while ago now (sometime at the start of the year, I believe there was a thread on it) basically kid-1 bought his sniper rifle in from the gaming area with a BB still in the chamber, Kid-2 grabs kid-1's sniper rifle to have a look at it and I presume play about with it in the safe zone...

From the version of events I have been told by numerous site owners who it had been passed on to from the originating site, Kid-2 lined the rifle up at kid-3's face (why you would do this anyway is beyond me) then fired the gun (remembering its chambered) and kid-3 got shot... good bye vision (not sure on FPS of the gun before you ask). The same insurance company that is used on the site I regularly play has now said that until the legal action has been completed against the (from what I'm gathering) original site and kid-2 everyone has to wear their safety glasses/masks upon entering the safezone (from cars etc)
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The problem there is truly crap weapons handling skills, comes from people having zero real steel experience. There should be a focus on basic safety knowledge* not faffing around with eye pro in the "safe zone", that is a distraction from the actual problem. Typical insurance companies.

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Treat every gun as if it's loaded, even when it's not.

Never point the gun at something you don't intend to shoot.

Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
Keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

 
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Defender90 said:
The problem there is truly crap weapons handling skills, comes from people having zero real steel experience. There should be a focus on basic safety knowledge* not faffing around with eye pro in the "safe zone", that is a distraction from the actual problem. Typical insurance companies.

*

Treat every gun as if it's loaded even when it's not.

Never point the gun at something you don't intend to shoot.

Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
Keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
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Unfortunately and I hate to say it but i see it more and more with not only younger people but also older people who should know better.

 
Defender90 said:
Yes it "resists a 6 mm, 0.86 g ball at 45 m/s" which seems a hell of a lot hotter than anything I'm likely to encounter on a UK field surely? 

That's with a .86! So surely it'd double with a .43? So with .20s it would chrono, what? 600 fps? 
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The beginners guide here just gives the overall safety standard, but not specifics





Below however they recommend the highest level A for 2.5 joules (the actual size then loses relevance as it’s the energy in the B.B., albeit that a lighter B.B. at a given velocity has less energy then a heavier BB)

As level F is a heavier B.B. at a lower velocity it’s aguable but not necessarily right that the tested level is sufficient (someone could do the physics calculations of the heavier  B.B. at the lower velocity to work out what energy that is, and then work back to whether that covers / exceeds the energy of a recreational airsoft BB

https://airsoftnation.co.uk/eye-pro/

As I come from paintball I have a bias against airsoft glasses and would prefer goggle based eye protection (even if not full face mask) and I have also seen a Marshall take a B.B. into his glasses without them being dislodged, luckily in pushing between skin and glasses the energy was absorbed.

For safety purposes I would always expect maximum tolerances must exceed the actual velocities in use

Bolle have glasses available to higher standards so I would always recommend avoiding the entry level standard

 
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clumpyedge said:
Unfortunately and I hate to say it but i see it more and more with not only younger people but also older people who should know better.
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Sadly true, modern Brits are usually complete muppets when it comes to guns. Personally I would have the afore mentioned basic safety rules bullet pointed up on a large board in the safe area.

 
Defender90 said:
The problem there is truly crap weapons handling skills, comes from people having zero real steel experience. There should be a focus on basic safety knowledge* not faffing around with eye pro in the "safe zone", that is a distraction from the actual problem. Typical insurance companies.

*

Treat every gun as if it's loaded, even when it's not.

Never point the gun at something you don't intend to shoot.

Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
Keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
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Sadly the incident as described shows that no matter the policy and common sense, accidents and stupidity do happen

It seems a valid measure by the insurers to require a second level of protection with eye protection in the safe zone

Not ideal for someone like me who could be wearing a full face set of paintball goggles, but resonable for eye protection glasses 

Checking for magazine removal on game exit, ideally accompanied by a witnessed ‘last shot’ to discharge should be sufficient to keep the safe area safe (though we don’t know the status of guns in bags as people arrive in the morning)

In paintball we have the secondary options of disconnecting / switching off air (which is inconclusive as there can still be one shots worth of air in the solenoid - even with self purge systems) and the more reliable barrel blocking of a plug or condom.  These are not absolute guarantees still, and I’ve seen a number of barrel condoms shot off by the unwitting 

 
Tommikka said:
In paintball we have the secondary options of disconnecting / switching off air (which is inconclusive as there can still be one shots worth of air in the solenoid - even with self purge systems) and the more reliable barrel blocking of a plug or condom.  These are not absolute guarantees still, and I’ve seen a number of barrel condoms shot off by the unwitting 
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Funny you mention this... I keep the barrel caps off all my guns and store all my guns with them on and they stay on unless testing said guns or just before playing. Yes, maybe this is a little over the top but i know myself how important gun safety is (shooting real steel) so it just kind of comes over into airsoft for me as well.

The site I play at most (for skirmishing) is also looking into the barrel cap/condom (as you call it) also as a way of mitigating the need for eye pro in the safezone. luckily its one of the only places I've played I've ever seen the no dry firing rule heavily enforced.

 
This is worthy of a thread of it's own, airsoft could be a very useful training tool for teaching basic gun handling. After all, if you don't know gun safety you literally don't know the first thing about guns!

Back on topic: Trying to find out if those Bolle would be suitable for Urban Assault, they're being cautious and are like "Bring them in and we'll tell you." I'm not risking splashing out on prescription lensed safety goggles on the off chance. This is a chicken and egg situation.

 
Defender90 said:
This is worthy of a thread of it's own, airsoft could be a very useful training tool for teaching basic gun handling. After all, if you don't know gun safety you literally don't know the first thing about guns!

Back on topic: Trying to find out if those Bolle would be suitable for Urban Assault, they're being cautious and are like "Bring them in and we'll tell you." I'm not risking splashing out on prescription lensed safety goggles on the off chance. This is a chicken and egg situation.
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I’ve just created a seperate topic for the safe zone safety & gun discipline discussion 

https://airsoft-forums.uk/index.php?/topic/38733-safe-zone-safety/

 
clumpyedge said:
This was a while ago now (sometime at the start of the year, I believe there was a thread on it) basically kid-1 bought his sniper rifle in from the gaming area with a BB still in the chamber, Kid-2 grabs kid-1's sniper rifle to have a look at it and I presume play about with it in the safe zone...

From the version of events I have been told by numerous site owners who it had been passed on to from the originating site, Kid-2 lined the rifle up at kid-3's face (why you would do this anyway is beyond me) then fired the gun (remembering its chambered) and kid-3 got shot... good bye vision (not sure on FPS of the gun before you ask). The same insurance company that is used on the site I regularly play has now said that until the legal action has been completed against the (from what I'm gathering) original site and kid-2 everyone has to wear their safety glasses/masks upon entering the safezone (from cars etc)
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We get this story at every safety briefing. Apparently the scream was "bloodcurdling".

 
clumpyedge said:
Funny you mention this... I keep the barrel caps off all my guns and store all my guns with them on and they stay on unless testing said guns or just before playing. Yes, maybe this is a little over the top but i know myself how important gun safety is (shooting real steel) so it just kind of comes over into airsoft for me as well.

The site I play at most (for skirmishing) is also looking into the barrel cap/condom (as you call it) also as a way of mitigating the need for eye pro in the safezone. luckily its one of the only places I've played I've ever seen the no dry firing rule heavily enforced.
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I don't put barrel caps on any of my guns. But then again, I treat them with the same safety approach as I was taught with real firearms.

 
Once I'm in the safe zone my eyes are NEVER uncovered, far too many morons play Airsoft and think they're too smart for the rules to apply to them.

I wouldn't trust most airsofters to tie their shoelaces correctly, let alone trust that their drills are sufficiently robust that I can have my eyes uncovered around them and Airsoft guns. 

 
1 thing I highlighted at my local site is a loaded m203 shell is basically a gun with a very dodgy trigger as I found at my own expense lately. After cleaning my shells wanted to test 1 so loaded and gased it then dropped it in the work shop setting it off at point blank in my face thank God for my glasses but it did hurt like a bitch. But back on topic trying to remove the visor an mesh from 1 of my chainsaw lids an mount to a milatary type of thing and see how that gos 

 
AshOnSnow said:
I don't put barrel caps on any of my guns. But then again, I treat them with the same safety approach as I was taught with real firearms.
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All real guns I use have chamber safety flags or in the case of some of the shotguns I use Safety plugs, same theory behind it either way, just that extra level of safety and how I was taught. You cant put a chamber flag on an airsoft gun so having something over the end of the barrel until ready to use pretty much eliminates the risk of if anything that has been chambered being fired out.

 
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Back on topic....

Buy decent approved/rated eyepro or your playing Russian roulette with your eyes...

 
clumpyedge said:
All real guns I use have chamber safety flags or in the case of some of the shotguns I use Safety plugs, same theory behind it either way, just that extra level of safety and how I was taught. You cant put a chamber flag on an airsoft gun so having something over the end of the barrel until ready to use pretty much eliminates the risk of if anything that has been chambered being fired out.
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Interesting. Honestly never seen either!

Is it more of a shotgun thing?

 
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After a lot of googling I don't think I can conceive of anything better than fan goggles with prescription lenses.

The problem seems to be 3 main factors:

. Temperature difference between outside and inside of goggles.

. Glasses misting up inside even if the goggles themselves are fine.

. Lack of airflow.

Even if I was to invest in a mask like a Dye i4 with their double glazed thermos flask type lens (and I was tempted) there'd still be the glasses themselves misting up, the Eye Safety Systems 740-0207 Land Ops are US forces issue for glasses wearers and surely if they're good enough for soldiers they'll do for airsoft? But I can't see how the glasses won't fog up inside.

Anyone have any tips as to which fan goggles take prescription lenses and which is best?

I tried out the M88 helmet with visor doing some chainsawing the other week - fcukin' useless bucket, fogged up. I shan't be wearing that again.

For the moment I shall have to stick with my Bolle Blasts with vent holes cut in the top and bottom until I've got my UKARA back, then I'll spend some money.

 
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Revision and ESS have the RX insert fitting....i dont wear glasses when im playing but tempted to as helps when im tired after a week at work staring at a computer...and kids keeping me up.....!!!

Not sure about Smiths Optics but i think they are hard to come by these days?

as for best not sure....ive a pair of Rev ones with thermal lens and all the foam....will drizzle a little, use fogtech wipes, other Rev pair i got off here has bottom foam removed, i use the normal lens and same issues ,using abbey anti fog spray at moment on them.....

 
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Getting your stuff sent off to be glazed isn't too tricky to do yourself. PM me if you want help but it's been posted on here loads so a search should turn up the step-by-step that I did about a year ago.

Basically almost every decent pair of goggles/glasses will have an insert that you can buy and there are a plethora of companies willing to glaze those inserts really affordably with your current prescription. One can pick the width and coatings (anti-scratch, UV protection etc.) as well if that's something you want to do. At the very least I'd get the anti-scratch coating given that dirt etc. can occasionally work its way onto the lenses given where they're being used (so would check that the product you have there includes that).

 
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