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Yea, VSA are a pretty good site. The lack of silly hire prices does help get new playing in I think. There are always new folk every time I go there! 

I do wonder about some sites extortionate (to me) hire fees. Considering they probably buy the aeg's for around £80-£100, why do they feel the need to charge an additional £20-40 for each hire?! Surely the aeg's they buy for hires last more than 3 or 4 games? ? 
An additional £10 on top of the walk on fee I think is acceptable, especially if it includes bb's as well. 
1 word profit they are a business after all. I wonder how they can make a profit as most sites need a minimum number of hires to break even. Also hire gun get treated like shite they will be broken multiple times in their service life. also with the cheaper rifles a lot of the time they need a gearbox rebuild to make them reliable before they see one game day.

 
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I don't know VSA's financial records or situation. However numbers are always pretty reasonable for the location. Most shoots there is 30+ players. During the summer it has been reaching 60+. Walk on is £20 (£18 if you are a member) including a hot dog for lunch.

Say the hot dog an bun costs £1 per person, that's £510 a day (assuming 30 people, who are all members. so £17x30) and they all have their own guns so no maintenance required. 

I am unsure how much they pay to use the land, or how much marshals and staff get, or how much the insurance costs. However as they have been going for a few years now, and not went bust I can only assume that their free hires thing is not detrimental to their finances. 

I think some sites hire fees are extortionate as they use sub £100 aeg's and charge each hire £20 for the use of them. Does that mean they only use the hire aeg's 5 times before getting rid of them or dropping the hire price?

Or to they use the hire aeg's 25 times (a year if you play every fortnight) so each hire guns alone earn them £350 a year in hires (assuming they are booked each shoot, minus £50 for general maintenance and repairs.)

Say a site has 5 hire aegs that they hire out at a cost of £20+ a £15 walk on fee, this included a face mask. The site plays 25 times a year and the AEG's are all hired each shoot. 

  • Start up costs


    Purchase price of aeg's = £500
  • Purchase price of face masks = £100 (5 x £20 for "fencing" mesh mask)
  • Total start up cost = £600

[*]Income


  • Hire's (£20 x 25)x5= £2,500
  • Plus walk on fee of £15 each time = £1,875

[*]Total income = £4,375

[*]Maintaining and repairs = £300

[*]Net profit = £3,475


So yea, that is a healthy profit for not much outlay. However now think about this from a long term point of view, especially if you also run a shop.... 

If you are trying to encourage people to take up the sport. Then their initial outlay is high (£35 plus what every they spend on bb's and other kit). This can put a lot of people off. It also encourages most people to look for cheap things by scouring the internet and does nothing to encourage them to keep coming back to you (unless you having an amazing set up/personality)

If you have their initial outlay as low, they are more likely to take the plunge and actually try the sport and get hooked. So you get a regular stream of new players, who are buying kit from your shop (guns, pistols, clothing, bb's, pyro etc), giving work to your gun tech's and they are happy to come back to you time and again because of your good prices. Because they will then probably like you and your site, they will invite their other friends along... 

If you want quick profit, then yea, charge for everything. If you want a long term profiting business that people like and appreciate then lowering prices is a good move. 

 
You are not taking into account prop  costs construction cost site maintenance, land rent , insurance, tax, national insurance then take into account all the hours owner /employees works out side of games day then coupled with limited number of game days a site can run. I have been marshalling for years believe me having regulars are great they help create an atmosphere but even if You have an amazing site regulars fade out.  new higher players make the site money. If VSA can afford to not charge for rentals that great I doubt many other sites could.

 
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