New Pistol for the British Army

[Airsoft-Ed]

It's just a CoD fail phrase.

Or... Phaze...

Or not. Haha.

Always wondered how they came to call duel wielding akimbo though... Seems completely non-sensical.

 

[M_P]

Cod fail phrase? More like heli attack 3 :lol: now that was an epic game.

 

[Tariq]

Nick the Malaysians do

Wait WHAT????

Will have to check that out next time im out there.

( FYI I'm Malay )

 

[M_P]

Well its according to Wikipedia so there's a chance they don't of course so take it with a pinch of salt

 

[M_P]

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New safety?

 

[Hubert]

That's the prototype from four years ago. It wasn't on the Glock used in the videos news stations were showing, nor the Glock used in the photo comparisons between the Browning and the Glock.

I'm starting to think it doesn't have an extra safety, and someone has just misreported/misunderstood what the trigger safety already on the Glock is. Like I said earlier, The Guardian's article, which was the first to be posted about this (2 days before the announcement) has been edited,and the paragraph about the Glock's safety has been removed.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

So what are the best options for getting an airsoft G17Gen4?

Ideally I want one that has the KWA NS2 system in it, but I don't know if KWA make one... I certainly can't find one anywhere, not the NS2 one anyway.

Only Glock 17 I can find that's actually sold under the title, "Glock 17 Gen 4" is the WE one, but I still don't trust WE enough to buy it...

 

[M_P]

Surprisingly, I haven't found much bad said about we glocks- though they are relatively new still

 

[Hubert]

Regarding whether the Malaysians use them or not, I can ask one of my old flatmates. He was in the army for 2 years before he came over to London to study dentistry.

As for WE - their new SIG series seems pretty good, I haven't read any complaints - aside from the usual "Britain is too cold". Unlike WE's older GBB pistols, which I have heard a lot of complaints about :lol:

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

But, I'd still rather get a pistol I knew at least had some resistance to cold, like KWA with the NS2 system... But I don't know if there is a G17Gen4 by KWA with the new system, is there?

 

[Tariq]

The Gen4 We series isnt too bad. Fires well and is less temperamental in the cold. Still not KWA/TM spec though.

Only problem my mate has come across is that the inner barrel has snapped of and flew 2m after firing

He has the G18C though and has dropped it a few times.

I've been told that the new british army glock will be semi tan. not sure if its the lower reciever or the slide though.

 

[psion]

with the police being issued G36Cs and british special forces and police using MP5 series sub machine guns surely H&K would have been a good place to look for a replacement to the browning. I dont think you can go far wrong with the USPs they address all the issues with Glock and Sig Sauer. chambered for 9mm or .40 S&W or .45 you get the stand alone saftey, de-cocking action, SA/DA or DAO, 20mm accessory rail. overlooked?

incidentally, i carry a P226 rail and love it!

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

That's a good point.

 

[Hubert]

Overlooked? Nope, hideously over-priced.

Whilst it's true that one SIG-Sauer P226 is roughly the same cost as two Glock 17s, H&K's USP series is ludicrously expensive - which is why it's limited to small armies (Australia) or specialist units. It's just too expensive to issue in the numbers we require.

As for calibres - both Glock and SIG come in all of those calibres, some SIG-Sauers coming in .357 SIG rounds too. As Britain has never really seen the need in anything bigger than 9mm for regular units, this is a fairly moot point. (However SIG-Sauer's .45ACP version of the P220 however has had some use in specialist units)

H&K, SIG, Ruger, Glock, Browning (and someone else I forget) all took part in the trial, starting way back in 2009. H&K and Ruger were both ruled out pretty quickly, when it was realised that they were so expensive.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

So despite having H&K factories in the UK, it's still cheaper to have guns built in Austria and sent over?

I thought H&K were under the umbrella of BAE? If they still are you'd have thought there'd be some sort of deal to be had or something.

 

[iAcorn]

As Britain has never really seen the need in anything bigger than 9mm for regular units, this is a fairly moot point

That's a good point, since basically the main opposition in the recent wars have mostly been against people in normal clothes. I think even 9mm is OP against cloth!

 

[TPI]

(Tariq) only in afghanistan and ireland at best everyone else would have had some type of body armour.

H&K were however they were actually sold off unless the Dimwitted airbrain's decided to buy it back in the last 5- 6 year's i don't think they are BAE Owned anymore

 

[Hubert]

BAE Systems sold H&K to a group of German business men from 2004-5, after the SA80-A2 project was finished.

However, H&K run/rent the Nottingham Small Arms Factory (formerly BAe - not BAE's Royal Ordnance- Factory Nottingham), and make rifles, carbines, SMGs. As of 2009, the factory definitely didn't make pistols, that being run by one of H&K's German factories. (About 75% of H&K's civilian pistol manufacture takes place in H&K's US factory, unsurprisingly). The factory makes a fair bit - that which isn't needed by the UK is exported elsewhere.

Even if the NSAF did make pistols, it wouldn't be cost efficient to buy them - the fact remains, H&K's pistols are expensive. Add in to the fact that they'd been made in the UK, and the cost would have gone up by about 2/3s.

As for BAE Systems making a deal... The company has earned it's nickname "Big, Awful, Expensive" for a reason :lol: You're far more likely to see MTP come out in luminous pink than see BAE sell kit to the UK Gov for a realistic price.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

Fair enough lol, I'd not heard the nickname before otherwise I wouldn't have said anything haha.

 

[psion]

hmmmmm, a british company manufacturing firearms IN the UK that can't make a deal to supply the british armed forces??? interesting.