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Is JustBBGuns ruining Airsoft?

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the thing is air-rifles are easier to get hold of than airsoft guns!
...really? check the over 18 box on justbbguns and buy, while as with air rifles, businesses are not allowed to sell them online (I can see why, but it makes it very inconvenient for me to buy air rifles)

I partially agree with Kev, Although if there wasnt any UKARA to stop the

young-lings from getting real steel air rifles and just go out and

shoot them about, i bet a accident involving swat teams will happen

eventually.

i can see the news headline right now " A

kid was shot dead today in a accident involving a Airsoft gun and

confusing Police into thinking it was a real fire-arm."
UKARA does not stop anyone from getting real steel air rifles.

I dont quite see your point? in any case, it's very reasonable for a police to think that something that is made to look like a real gun, is a real gun.

He is far from ruining airsoft, the only thing he will ruin is his own business.

There are con men and idiots in every industry.

UKARA

is a bigger threat to airsoft. It prevents the hobby from growing and

when something is supported in small numbers, it is easier to ban.

The hobby needs to establish itself and become more mainstream to move forward.
Are you mixing up UKARA and VCRA? VCRA prevents people that want to intimidate people with them to get realistic imitation firearms. If you're getting it to plink in your back garden, you can get a plinker that does not look like a real gun (two tone, provided you're 18+) and if you want one because you want to dress up as a solider and play war, you can get one that does look like a real gun.

 
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...really? check the over 18 box on justbbguns and buy, while as with air rifles, businesses are not allowed to sell them online (I can see why, but it makes it very inconvenient for me to buy air rifles)

UKARA does not stop anyone from getting real steel air rifles.

I dont quite see your point? in any case, it's very reasonable for a police to think that something that is made to look like a real gun, is a real gun.

Are you mixing up UKARA and VCRA? VCRA prevents people that want to intimidate people with them to get realistic imitation firearms. If you're getting it to plink in your back garden, you can get a plinker that does not look like a real gun (two tone, provided you're 18+) and if you want one because you want to dress up as a solider and play war, you can get one that does look like a real gun.
i meant in general not U18

 
No it's still easier to get a 2-tone and paint it than go get an Air Gun and leave a Trail for the Police to follow

Airsoft

IF's you need to be 18+

RIF's you need to be 18+ and able to give the seller a defence

Air Gun's

18+? ID something like a Bank statement to purchase

IF's an 18+ can Paint Black if they know what paint is that is...

 
[quote two_zero

Are you mixing up UKARA and VCRA? VCRA prevents people that want to intimidate people with them to get realistic imitation firearms. If you're getting it to plink in your back garden, you can get a plinker that does not look like a real gun (two tone, provided you're 18+) and if you want one because you want to dress up as a solider and play war, you can get one that does look like a real gun.

No. It's ukara I have a problem with. I don't see why anyone over 18 can't just buy an airsoft gun like they can a rif air gun.

As for 2 tone, again pointless. They would make sense if kids over 13 could buy them, but they can't.

I don't see what purpose it all serves.

For the type of person who would carry out an armed robbery, it is easier to get a real gun than a airsoft one.

For people who say kids shouldn't have them, why? They are toys.

When I was a kid I had a black widow catapult, then a diablo, then a gat gun then a rif air pistol. My parents didn't know, and they were easy to buy.

No one can tell me it isn't crazy that it isn't legal to sell a toy gun to anyone over 18, but it's ok to sell them a crossbow?

 
I was told that airsoft was nearly banned in the UK at one point, and making the whole 2 tone law was the only thing that kept it legal. I may be wrong but if that is the case then I'd rather use a 2 tone gun than none at all.

 
i vote kev.k for next prime minister! :) He has got a point though, I mean why is it restricted to 18 +'s ? It's not like a kid is more likely to go out in public with one than an adult. And who would take them seriously anyway? I feel there should be some sort of defence that sellers accept which would allow under 18's to own an RIF. (maybe that's me just saying that because I'm under 18)

 
I was told that airsoft was nearly banned in the UK at one point, and making the whole 2 tone law was the only thing that kept it legal. I may be wrong but if that is the case then I'd rather use a 2 tone gun than none at all.
Knowing this country I would imagine health and safety was their main concern. I could understand 2 tone if rifs were illegal (not that I want that), but they aren't.

If a rif is such a major concern, how can grown men playing soldiers in the woods, be a defence to owning one?

It's all bollocks.

 
Kid's not being allowed to buy one is simply like this -> How many out of the majority alway's did as they were told i didn't i'd be willing to bet atleast 80% of you didn't follow along to what your pier's said 100% of the time aswell.

So your next thing to say is so why not ban ownership of IF/RIF's for U18's because the law is written in Legalsese. Technically it is simply by the way it is worded it would tell Cop's with an actual Idea of the Draconian law's we live under to arrest you and Judge's to chuck you away for a stay at Her Majesty's pleasure! although we do have Jury's which may or may not be fair or unfair

also technically the RIF's that we Possess are Illegal.

But Scooby will be along at somepoint to fill in the point's i left out (I'm too lazy and he has researched into all the other Firearm type legislature + he's pretty much spot on)

but as he say's Don't take the word of an Unqualified lawyer go learn yourself and qeustion an actual Lawyer to death about it aswell!

 
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mmh... well he wont ruin airsoft from selling rubbish, we know its rubbish and do not buy from him....

On the other hand, he could very potentially ruin airsoft, if he gets the sport banned by selling to minors.
ive flamed them on their fb site about selling minors also e-mailed them but nos response

 
Difficult to get air guns??? Pffft. My neighbour practically gave me one of his old air pistols. No paper trail whatsoever, I just mowed his lawn last summer and he didn't have any cash spare. I can see your point if you were buying new, but what of buying 2nd hand away from air gun foums and the massive law sticklers?

(btw the air pistol is now in legal custody of my parents. We don't even have any .177 pellets so no worries)

 
No. It's ukara I have a problem with. I don't see why anyone over 18 can't just buy an airsoft gun like they can a rif air gun.

As for 2 tone, again pointless. They would make sense if kids over 13 could buy them, but they can't.

I don't see what purpose it all serves.

For the type of person who would carry out an armed robbery, it is easier to get a real gun than a airsoft one.

For people who say kids shouldn't have them, why? They are toys.

When I was a kid I had a black widow catapult, then a diablo, then a gat gun then a rif air pistol. My parents didn't know, and they were easy to buy.

No one can tell me it isn't crazy that it isn't legal to sell a toy gun to anyone over 18, but it's ok to sell them a crossbow?
In other words you have no clue what you are talking about. UKARA is no a restriction, its its something to make it easier for retailers to sell you an airsoft, without it they would have to call your site.

why would 13 make more sense than 18?

easier to get a real gun? get real. apart from that the added risk before, during and after a crime is committed? Tons of robberies every year uses airsoft guns and we go examples you can read about here or z1 where police have been called to the place, and sometimes nearly engaged people with airsoft guns.

Toys that look like weapons, and easily can shot your eye out.

Ok, you broke the law as a kid, what is your point?

I happen to sell crossbows and it's 17+ for them, which yes, I wonder why its not 18.

i vote kev.k for next prime minister! :) He has got a point though, I mean why is it restricted to 18 +'s ? It's not like a kid is more likely to go out in public with one than an adult. And who would take them seriously anyway? I feel there should be some sort of defence that sellers accept which would allow under 18's to own an RIF. (maybe that's me just saying that because I'm under 18)
yea right..

"It's not like a kid is more likely to go out in public with one than an adult." -WHAT?

I'll take a kid with a gun serious as hell.

You can own a RIF if you are under 18 and its gifted to you. I dont really see how that makes sense but thats how it is.

Knowing this country I would imagine health and safety was their main concern. I could understand 2 tone if rifs were illegal (not that I want that), but they aren't.

If a rif is such a major concern, how can grown men playing soldiers in the woods, be a defence to owning one?

It's all bollocks.
They ARE illegal, an exception have been made for skirmish, re-enactment, films etc.

Why, is grown men playing soldiers in the woods injuring anyone? Major concern? How often do you hear it debated outside of airsoft forums? Difference is, grown men (most of them), have more common sense than a kid. He is also legally responsible.

Difficult to get air guns??? Pffft. My neighbour practically gave me one of his old air pistols. No paper trail whatsoever, I just mowed his lawn last summer and he didn't have any cash spare. I can see your point if you were buying new, but what of buying 2nd hand away from air gun foums and the massive law sticklers?

(btw the air pistol is now in legal custody of my parents. We don't even have any .177 pellets so no worries)
My neighbour does not have an air pistol or a lawn.

 
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It's not Just BB Guns ruining airsoft. It's the people who buy from it who are ruining airsoft. ;)

 
That was simply me highlighting how easy it is to get hold of one. Not everyone's neighbour will have a lawn or an air pistol, it was just an example.

 
@ two_zero, Let me outline my points in a simple manner so u can understand.

I think it should be legal for anyone over 18 to buy a airsoft rif. It is legal to buy a air rifle rif which looks just as real, but is more dangerous. This is stupid.

2tone is pointless, They would make sense if younger players could buy them.

In answer to your question, what is the point in anyone over 18 buying a 2 tone if they can buy a rif? 2 tone would make alot of sense if kids over 13 could buy them and use them responsibly.

If rifs are illegal, and considered a threat to the public, playing "soldiers in the woods" should not be a reason to have one.

Crossbows SHOULD BE illegal as they are LETHAL.

I only mentioned the guns and catapults I had as a kid, to make the point kids will always be kids. Airsoft guns will always attract kids as they are toys, and kids play with toys.

Also, if you don't think that certain people have easy access to guns, you are niave at best. I bet many people have seen a few real guns, and have never seen a airsoft gun. Many armed robberies are carried out with real guns. Where do you think they came from?

 
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@ two_zero, Let me outline my points in a simple manner so u can understand.

I think it should be legal for anyone over 18 to buy a airsoft rif. It is legal to buy a air rifle rif which looks just as real, but is more dangerous. This is stupid.

2tone is pointless, They would make sense if younger players could buy them.

If rifs are illegal, and considered a threat to the public, playing "soldiers in the woods" should not be a reason to have one.

Crossbows SHOULD BE illegal as they are LETHAL.
So are some air rifles.

 
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So are some air rifles.
Then they should be illegal aswell.
I'm not against air rifles. I just think it's stupid that anyone 18+ can buy an rif air rifle, but you have to play 3 times in 2 months and get a ukara number to buy a toy.

 
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@ two_zero, Let me outline my points in a simple manner so u can understand.

I think it should be legal for anyone over 18 to buy a airsoft rif. It is legal to buy a air rifle rif which looks just as real, but is more dangerous. This is stupid.

2tone is pointless, They would make sense if younger players could buy them.

If rifs are illegal, and considered a threat to the public, playing "soldiers in the woods" should not be a reason to have one.

Crossbows SHOULD BE illegal as they are LETHAL.

I only mentioned the guns and catapults I had as a kid, to make the point kids will always be kids. Airsoft guns will always attract kids as they are toys, and kids play with toys.

Also, if you don't think that certain people have easy access to guns, you are niave at best. I bet many people have seen a few real guns, and have never seen a airsoft gun. Many armed robberies are carried out with real guns. Where do you think they came from?
Sorry, what do you think is more likely to be used in an armed robbery, an air rifle or a replica pistol?

I already explained to you why twotone makes sense, but you clearly do not listen.

you quoting "soldiers in the woods", do you realise thats from your post?

RIFs are only considered a "threat" because people will think they are real weapons.

lethal --> should be illegal... you serious? Well I suppose we should go ahead and ban rifles, shotguns, air rifle, plant poison, knives, cars, hammers and old age as well then?

so? guns attract kids. When I was a kid I used to openly carry a fixed blade knife at all times, but is not Sweden in the 90s... sadly. Kids can not run around with something that looks like a gun.

I live in Brixton, someone got shot a few meters from my front door a few months ago. I do not see how this justifies making it easier for criminals to get he hand on replicas?

and NO! it's not easier to get hold of an illegal firearm than a RIF, are you mad?

Then they should be illegal aswell.

I'm not against air rifles. I just think it's stupid that anyone can buy a rif air rifle, but you have to play 3 times in 2 months and get a ukara number to buy a toy.
..and once more you show that you do not know what UKARA is.

I just explained it to you and you sounds like a broken CD player. I'm off to bed.

Not everyone's neighbour will have a lawn or an air pistol, it was just an example.
:D

 
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I just explained it to you and you sounds like a broken CD player.
Did I really write something like this?

Sorry Kev, seriously, sorry mate! I got a bit frustrated I'm too tired to be posting. I'd edit the post but it has probably already been seen, so its better I stand up for it.

I apologise for this idiotic rude behaviour, I really hope you're not too offended.

 
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You know what I'd like to know? Why is it that the purposes of airsoft and historical re-enactment are specified as hobbies protected from prosecution for selling RIF's but BDSM isn't? It's discrimination I tell ya!

 
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