Help!!!!!

[Teo]

Ok. So I just bought myself a well vz61 scorpion but I don't really have any Gear to put it with. What I do have is a real russian army tankers helmet in tan. So what I'm wondering is did the russian army ever use the scorpion. HELP!!!!!

 

[Deva]

Please can you name your topic titles appropriately so that people know what you want help with. Most people will just ignore, so its for your own benefit.

"Did/do the Russians use the Skorpion?" would have been better

 

[Ian_Gere]

I remember reading somewhere that Russian AFV crews did use Vz61 Skorpions, but I don't know how widespread that was. I bought a Czech police holster and mag pouch for mine and used leather dye to darken it from the original beige to just about the same colour as Russian leather officer's belts/holsters etc. I also cut a slot in it so that the gun fits in the holster with the long mag fitted, rather than the way the Czechs carried them with a short mag fitted and 2 long mags in the pouch (I don't know of any airsoft short mags anyway, although Well do a drum mag). I also added a little leather strap and stud from a vintage AK mag pouch to hold the holster closed across the slot, so that the gun doesn't fall out when the mag is out in the safe zone.

Sadly the stitching which holds the belt loop on the back totally failed the last time I had it out in a skirmish. I think the leather dye may have done it some damage, although so far the rest of the stitching seems just fine. I'm planning to restitch it with kite line.

They also fit in those holsters intended for MP7's etc, so if you're going with a modern-ish Russian loadout, that would be just about ok. Authentic Soviet era black tanker uniforms do pop up for sale now and then, but they're far from cheap. The khaki uniform pieces are fractionally more common, but they're not cheap either, especially when you add shipping from the Ukraine or wherever. Do you know what style you're after? Would you be happy with some gear that is era correct but not specifically for tankers; stuff an AFV crew member could easily have swapped for / bought / stolen etc if he was not issued it? What size are you (height, chest, waist)? I ask because some sizes are much easier to find than others.

 

[Skaut]

Belive me sovet or russian army do not use scorpion.

This is Czech gun and it use in czech army some small qualty was used by KGB and GRU in special operations in cold war.

On base of scorpion in 1972 was made Russian sub masingun Kiparis(cypress) and SD version Bucet(bouquet) if you need can get fotos

For tank drivers or pilots we use AKS-74U cal 5.45( on slang- Ksuha, it's gently from name Ksenia).

At we have some projects like Bison, Kashtan( Chestnut).

 

[Ian_Gere]

Photos always help, Skaut.

 

[Skaut]

ok, i'm at my work.I can send fotos on wednesday 12 feb.I can send them like a private message or paste in topic.

Yon need fotos of guns i listed?

 

[Ian_Gere]

Yes please, Skaut. Post them in topic so everyone can see them.

 

[Skaut]

The design of the gun machine gun was developed by the designer Miroslav Rybar (Miroslav Rybář) in the late 1960s, the armament of the Czech army was adopted in 1961. In addition Czechoslovakia, Scorpions were delivered to Angola, Croatia, Egypt, Mozambique, Uganda, Libya, Iraq and other countries.

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[Skaut]

«Cypress» was developed in the 70s, but on the armament of the army was not passed. In the late 80's. such weapons needed for police and interior Ministry troops. Submachine gun «Cypress», created in the Tula TsKIB soo under the guidance of well-known designer of aviation armament of the Hero of Socialist Labour Н.М.Афанасьева after some improvements since 1992, was launched by the order of Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.
Perhaps some number of ( small party) was aimed to combat trials in Afghanistan. These two gun machine gun similar confusion was возможна.If information about the use in Afghanistan Scorpion was based on the photo.

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[Skaut]

the 5.45-mm Kalashnikov folding shortened, АКС74У on slang- Ksuha- shortened modification machine АК74, was developed in the late 1970s - early 1980s to arm the crews of combat vehicles, aircraft, calculation tools, as well as the paratroopers. It is also used for the interior Ministry and security structures due to its small size.

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[Skaut]

Gun AEK 919К Kashtan is designed for arming the militia and special. units of crews of fighting машин.Первое combat use of a machine pistol "Kashtan" took place in the spring of 1995, during the antiterrorist operation in Chechnya, where one of the units of the FSB had armed with 100 pieces AEK 919К. Later, in 2002, the pistol - machine gun were armed pilots of the helicopters Ka-50 "Black shark"

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[Skaut]

PP-19 Bizon» - pistol-machine gun 19 model, developed in 1993 A. M. Kalashnikov (son of designer M. T. Kalashnikov) and Alexey Dragunov (son E. F. Dragunov) by order of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation (MVD of Russia).Оружие was created on the basis of the design of the Kalashnikov AKS-74U (which borrowed receiver box and up to 60 % of the remaining parts).Внешней the distinctive feature of this submachine gun is a screw under-barrel store up to 64 cartridges.

This gun have airsoft version!!!

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[Skaut]

The main purpose of the machine 9А91 is the use of special law enforcement units, as well as a personal defense weapon soldiers. Сombat characteristics of the machine at small sizes are achieved using special 9 mm cartridges

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[Skaut]

Specially for Teo. From Russia with love, as they say))
Ian properly thought, just like Czech ))) without insults))

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[Ian_Gere]

«Cypress» was developed in the 70s, but on the armament of the army was not passed. In the late 80's...

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I really like the pistol grip on this Cypress. It's a significant design flaw on the Skorpion IMO - it is too far to the rear of the receiver for a good centre of gravity, but if the centre of gravity must be that far forward, you need a chunky grip to make aiming it in one hand instinctive. I expect it works well in the real steel to reduce muzzle climb, but I cannot help but think that a more central centre of gravity and an AKM type muzzle brake would be more effective, because you wouldn't have to learn to allow the gun to droop down lowering your aim just to end up on target for a first shot...

the 5.45-mm Kalashnikov folding shortened, АКС74У on slang- Ksuha- shortened modification machine АК74...

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I call mine Phatima and she is my darling :wub:

Gun AEK 919К Kashtan is designed for arming the militia and special. units of crews

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Yeah, so this has its centre of gravity further back, like the mac 10 or 11. Ideal for excellent stopping power at very close range, but wildly inaccurate at any greater range without a suppressor to hold the muzzle down.

PP-19 Bizon»

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I was going to buy one of these a while ago, but I decided to buy my G36KV instead because I did not have any NATO rifles. If I can afford a modern Eastern European AEG anytime soon, since I have 2 short options, I'll be looking for an AK-12 or AN-94, maybe a Vz58V. Although I'm hoping to be able to afford the Izhmash produced AK-74 AEG if/when it goes into full production this year.

Thanks for taking the time to post this info, Vladimir

 

[Teo]

Thanks for the help guys.

I'm not gonna buy any themed kit for my scorpion (well) as I received it today from taiwan gun and the stock snapped. Stocks are easy to get but I think I'll just use it as a run and gun weapon.

 

[Ian_Gere]

^^I'd send that back, unless of course you did something daft with it to break it?

I went for the 'JG V61 Scorpion' because it has a better reputation than the Well R4, even though the parts are interchangeable. For eg the lower receiver of the JG is apparently better than that on the TM it was cloned from.