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^^You think we should not concern ourselves with the possibility that something may be stolen? Or is it the legality of sales of RIF's which bothers you? Personally I think the VCRA is bad law and actually does nothing towards its stated aim, but nonetheless it is the law and we, as members of a responsible forum, must advise accordingly.

 
^^You think we should not concern ourselves with the possibility that something may be stolen? Or is it the legality of sales of RIF's which bothers you? Personally I think the VCRA is bad law and actually does nothing towards its stated aim, but nonetheless it is the law and we, as members of a responsible forum, must advise accordingly.
There's nothing wrong with being responsible. Period.

However, in mmy opinion there are far too many members that are happy to jump to the worst possible scenario or to go straight to quoting chapter and verse in a seeming attempt to make sure everyone knows how clever they are. I know that expressing this opinion won't make me popular but I do it as a cautionary note, if we carry on treating new members like this then the forum WILL degenerate to a cliquey mess and that will harm its reputation. I've seen it happen time and again and I really don't want it to happen here.

 
It's a fair point, and whilst I agree that some of us (including me, I know) do sometimes chip in with a lot of legal stuff, quite often opening ourselves up to accusations of being barrack room lawyers, I think in this instance it was not without some justification, since there were two legal issues arising, the legality of selling a RIF and the legality of selling something which technically is not yours to sell. I suspect the girl was never going to get into GI Jane mode herself, so it was unlikely to put her off going to a skirmish, but it might conceivably kept her out of court. Taking advice is not compulsory, nor is trying to ensure that someone doesn't fall foul of the law when they ask for help, but I think it was the responsible thing to do in these circumstances.

I agree with Ian (and doubtless many others) as far as the VCR Act is concerned. It's a clumsy law, open to much interpretation and in many cases nigh on impossible to enforce effectively. And like many laws, it invariably ends up just being a pain in the ass for law abiding citizens, but not for criminals, who simply ignore it. But it is the devil we know (or at least the one we are stuck with), so if we wish to be regarded as responsible people, it's probably not a bad idea to be seen to be like that, particularly on a forum which anyone can read. I daresay there are plenty of young turk politicians, who would like nothing better than an excuse to get their face on TV with a crusade to ban airsofting. Not because they really have a desire to do see it gone, but rather because it is an easy popularist target which can trade easily on the ignorance of those not into it, who might imagine that we could somehow perpetrate a massacre with our toy guns. So the more I can do to not provide them with an excuse legislate our entirely harmless enjoyment out of existence, the better.

 
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Yes, I see your point but again - why does everyone feel the need to think the worst? Do you assume that everything in the classifieds section is stolen? No, I would say not. If the guns in question were nicked they would get shifted on locally not become the subject of a reasonable post on a specialist forum.

In reference to the OP, taking it at face value you have someone that has been left with a bunch of stuff by an ex. If he hasn't been bothered to get it back in two years it's safe to say that either he doesn't want it or he doesn't want the hassle of dealing with his ex to get it back. Either way it's fair to say in this instance that possession is 9 tenths of the law so all she needed was a pointer to say that she needs to make sure whoever buys the stuff has a defence and that's it. It doesn't need world war 3 yet again arguing the minutiae of the vcra.

 
^^You think we should not concern ourselves with the possibility that something may be stolen? Or is it the legality of sales of RIF's which bothers you? Personally I think the VCRA is bad law and actually does nothing towards its stated aim, but nonetheless it is the law and we, as members of a responsible forum, must advise accordingly.
No i don't think you should because that's a blurred line the OP clearly didn't need or want advice relating to, and as Lozart says, there's equal chance anything on the classifieds is nicked. If the forum is that bothered then why do you not insist on proof of purchase/ownership for all items on the classifieds?

In summary i expected the OP to be scared-off from the start, but by "show us ur tits" not "show us ur receipt". I am entirely un-bothered, just midly amused.

All your hearts were in the right place, you just get 0/10 for execution, and left staring at an empty seat opposite wondering if there's a 20minute queue for the toilets or something :)

 
You may be surprised by how much goes on behind the scenes to police the content of the Classifieds. I think I speak for the entire mod/admin team when I say that it is a point of pride that what we do does remain mostly unnoticed, because we want the forum to maintain its relaxed atmosphere, but when questions which involve legality are asked openly, we must respond openly. I totally get it that sometimes people do bang on at unnecessary length and sometimes, because what they have said is incomplete or seems misleading to another member, that provokes further discussion. However it's an internet forum ffs: surely everyone knows when they first post that some members of the forum will be more knowledgeable than others and that whatever they ask may take a few replies to get a complete answer...

 
However, in mmy opinion there are far too many members that are happy to jump to the worst possible scenario or to go straight to quoting chapter and verse in a seeming attempt to make sure everyone knows how clever they are. I know that expressing this opinion won't make me popular but I do it as a cautionary note, if we carry on treating new members like this then the forum WILL degenerate to a cliquey mess and that will harm its reputation. I've seen it happen time and again and I really don't want it to happen here.
Wise words. I've seen this happen on many forums over the last 15 years and its not cool

 
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