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It is as Prof said, more often than not done inadvertently by not realising how GBBRs etc work (and how hop affects it too).
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On the subject of the cronograph - you don't need to tell them which you'll be using. Just crono at home with the right ones and your gun will come in maybe 5-10% lower on site with the .20g BBs (basically Joule creep working in the opposite direction). Once those .30s go in, however, you'll be back to site limits. Again though, you might have zero creep and will hit just where you want to on both .20g and .30g, (though this is unlikely with a GBBR). The reason I don't think that's a solution for the whole Joule creep problem in general is because it relies on the player to make sure they're compliant when it comes to creep.
The solution as I see it is to ask players which weight BB they have in their gun at the crono and then measure muzzle energy in Joules (and perhaps a very occasional spot-check of BB weights just to keep cheaters on their toes). The one way around this of course is to bring .20s with you to the crono and then switch them to something heavier when you go out. Ultimately - like PT says - there's no way to ever stop someone determined enough, but crono-ing on intended weight just stops accidental Joule creep by those who don't know better (which in my opinion makes up the majority of hot guns) and helps prevent animosity towards the GBBR and HPA users that tend to run those types of guns.
For the BBs, I'd also add that .30s will get to your target just as well as .20s barring a slight difference at sub-15 metre engagement distances as they shed their energy in flight far slower so make up for that lost time later in their trajectory. This is another reason why HPA and GBB users sometimes get flak, because their BBs do hit harder further out (which people misconstrue as a hot gun).
There was that very scientific test done some years back. I always always forget the name of it but usually it's jcheese who posts the link so if he sees this then maybe he can so I can find the relevant graph (i.e. the one that shows time to target with heavier projectiles) as it's some up a few times on here previously.
If .35s were commonly available and affordable then I know I'd go even higher - .30s are reasonably priced though for people not spamming too much. ASG blasters are good if you're looking for a brand and Green Devils are also great as a bio option (but a little expensive).
The solution as I see it is to ask players which weight BB they have in their gun at the crono and then measure muzzle energy in Joules (and perhaps a very occasional spot-check of BB weights just to keep cheaters on their toes). The one way around this of course is to bring .20s with you to the crono and then switch them to something heavier when you go out. Ultimately - like PT says - there's no way to ever stop someone determined enough, but crono-ing on intended weight just stops accidental Joule creep by those who don't know better (which in my opinion makes up the majority of hot guns) and helps prevent animosity towards the GBBR and HPA users that tend to run those types of guns.
For the BBs, I'd also add that .30s will get to your target just as well as .20s barring a slight difference at sub-15 metre engagement distances as they shed their energy in flight far slower so make up for that lost time later in their trajectory. This is another reason why HPA and GBB users sometimes get flak, because their BBs do hit harder further out (which people misconstrue as a hot gun).
There was that very scientific test done some years back. I always always forget the name of it but usually it's jcheese who posts the link so if he sees this then maybe he can so I can find the relevant graph (i.e. the one that shows time to target with heavier projectiles) as it's some up a few times on here previously.
If .35s were commonly available and affordable then I know I'd go even higher - .30s are reasonably priced though for people not spamming too much. ASG blasters are good if you're looking for a brand and Green Devils are also great as a bio option (but a little expensive).
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So I chronographed on .2s earlier and it was shooting around the 450-460 mark... yikes. I turned it down to 310ish on .25s and then tried again with the .2s, this time it was at around 320ish. So that's what you meant about the joule creep aha. Should be skirmishable now I hope.
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Bet you are glad you tested it
I'm looking to getting into Airsoft with my son, I used to paintball a lot but after having the kids it went on the back burner lol, but my boy is 14 now and i think I would prefer Airsoft and as holmbush is only 15mins away from home it seems the perfect place to start off.
Will be researching up the law etc before i contact about starting up and looking into whats required etc, but i'm quite excited as is my son.
Hopefully see you there soon.
Will be researching up the law etc before i contact about starting up and looking into whats required etc, but i'm quite excited as is my son.
Hopefully see you there soon.
So we have done our 3 games to qualify for ukara at this site and I must say each yime we have been we have loved it, well run and different every time, I'm looking forward to the 29th of October when nuprol are in attendance.
all in all a great site run by very enthusiastic airsofters
all in all a great site run by very enthusiastic airsofters
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had nearly 300 players the other week!
This seems like the right thread to ask on and I did try the search button to no avail? Sorry if I'm wrong.
I found an Event held at Dog Tag called "UK v USA International Airsoft Event".
I haven't found much about it other than the site promoting it: www.ukvusaairsoft.com
I've heard good things about DogTag but I can't quite figure out if they are hosting it or a third party is hiring it for the event.
I think it's the first time it's been run and from the FB page it allows me to see briefly (no FB account) there appears very little activity or info on numbers of players etc. It is in just under 6 months time so early days... maybe that's why.
It sounds pretty cool, similar description as the NAE annual event ZeroOne do (never been BTW).
Any feedback would be handy. Is anyone attending it from here? Thanks
I found an Event held at Dog Tag called "UK v USA International Airsoft Event".
I haven't found much about it other than the site promoting it: www.ukvusaairsoft.com
I've heard good things about DogTag but I can't quite figure out if they are hosting it or a third party is hiring it for the event.
I think it's the first time it's been run and from the FB page it allows me to see briefly (no FB account) there appears very little activity or info on numbers of players etc. It is in just under 6 months time so early days... maybe that's why.
It sounds pretty cool, similar description as the NAE annual event ZeroOne do (never been BTW).
Any feedback would be handy. Is anyone attending it from here? Thanks
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DogTag are hosting the UK round, no idea about the USA round
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It should be a great event, but I am not into comps as they can potentially be attracted to the types of players I don't like playing against/with. I love DogTag and I do think it will be awesome, but the NAE shows that big events seem to attract big cheaters
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The guy that is organizing it, I think, said there are 50 Americans who live in GB and the other 50 are being sponsored by Valken to come over here or its team Valken or something like that
Thanks for the feedback PT247 & Robert James .
Sounds like it could be a good event then and is very tempting! I'd expect a good set of players if they're travelling that far.
I'll send the contact an email before I drop a ton on a whim.
I'll report back if there's anything interesting not on their site.
Sounds like it could be a good event then and is very tempting! I'd expect a good set of players if they're travelling that far.
I'll send the contact an email before I drop a ton on a whim.
I'll report back if there's anything interesting not on their site.
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Currently its on sale. £70 a ticket with £30 deposit I think.Thanks for the feedback PT247 & Robert James .
Sounds like it could be a good event then and is very tempting! I'd expect a good set of players if they're travelling that far.
I'll send the contact an email before I drop a ton on a whim.
I actually got one of the patches for helping the guy out with something. Should be a great event, but expensive. Plus, its a bank holiday.
Cool, good to know. I was worried it may have just been a fancy website and a non event but you've set my mind at ease.
I just sent him a few questions but I reckon I'll just try it and see. I don't mind the cost which isn't bad for a 3 day event.
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The cost of tickets is fine, I just cant fork out for all the camping equipment, plus food, plus fuel, plus Airsoft stuff, plus the stuff ill buy whilst there. Gutted
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