Does a real firearm license allow me to not be a UKARA registered player?

[sonofsammo]

If you have a FAC, you have to state, in advance what you are requesting. It doesn't give you an authority to purchase anything that's not on there.
It's funny that the people who have mentioned it's ridiculous that they can't buy a RIF have not lamented the fact that they are not permitted to buy shotguns either.
To buy shotguns (unless they are section one and you have slots for them on your FAC), you have to have a shotgun certificate, which is entirely separate from a Firearms Certificate. And easier to get.

And nobody seems to have a problem with that.
"But, but, if I have a FAC, surely I'm alright with a shotgun?" Sure - go and get the right paperwork.
Same thing applies for buying a RIF - If you want it, just jump through the hoops.
It sure as chuff works out cheaper if you do! - Silverback SRS £450 & 2.5p per shot - Desert Tech SRS £6000 & £4 per shot.

 

[Rogerborg]

And nobody seems to have a problem with that.

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Not one that's been mentioned here, but it is an equally ludicrous and arbitrary situation.  Both that a FAC is harder to get and more explicit but doesn't give you shotgun privileges, or that shotgun certs are effectively "shall issue" and then let you build an unlimited armoury of unrecorded smoothbores, up to 2" cannons.  I will never get tired of asking 2A fetishists complaining about the UK's "disarmed populace" and claiming that they'd arm themselves if they could, how their shotgun cert application is going.

I'd say that current firearms legislation has the pragmatic effect of working, except that it doesn't, given that mental cases are still going on shooting sprees.

The whole thing really needs a comprehensive revocation and reform to simplify it and make it consistent, but what are the chances of that happening?

 

[Guest]

The whole thing really needs a comprehensive revocation and reform to simplify it and make it consistent, but what are the chances of that happening?

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The trouble is, any new legislation will 100% make it much more difficult to obtain and use firearms. There is no way any government would be able to pass anything firearms related without tightening rules even further.

My biggest concern is that competition target shooting is dying a death, mostly because mummy refuses to let her little soldier (do you see the irony right there?) take part in school or cubs/scouts shouting lessons. My gun club has less than 20 members, mostly all old buggers like me.

Rant over 

 

[sonofsammo]

The whole thing really needs a comprehensive revocation and reform to simplify it and make it consistent, but what are the chances of that happening?

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The challenge with any kind of reform, is that generally reform means further limitations.
They've recently just banned MARS and lever release rifles even though a) they have never been involved in crime and b)they have never been involved in crime.

Literally any further legislation will be used to take more classes of firearms away from us. It's a shame the firearms community is such a disorganised, compartmentalised shower of shit when it comes to defending itself.

 

[Rogerborg]

They've recently just banned MARS and lever release rifles even though a) they have never been involved in crime and b)they have never been involved in crime.

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And .50 BMG, because of all those bank heists that got done with Barretts.

Literally any further legislation will be used to take more classes of firearms away from us. It's a shame the firearms community is such a disorganised, compartmentalised shower of shit when it comes to defending itself.

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Yes, I should have qualified to what's the chances of any change being in our favour?

Like most "communities", the gun-shaped-object one is more what you'd call a set of squabbling tribes only looking out for their own self interests.  To wit: paintballers trying to parasite off of our defence, and my desire to throw them an anchor rather than a lifeline if it keeps my silly hobby going for a bit longer.

I don't think there is a solution to that, other than to cry "why oh why can't we all just get along", with the same effects as that plea has had in every other brother-war since Abel and Cain.

 

[sonofsammo]

And .50 BMG, because of all those bank heists that got done with Barretts.

Eh??? They're still legal. They just have extra conditions for ownership. The 50cal owners club was at the Northern Shooting Show the other day, so it's still very much alive and kicking.

Yes, I should have qualified to what's the chances of any change being in our favour? ? 

Like most "communities", the gun-shaped-object one is more what you'd call a set of squabbling tribes only looking out for their own self interests.  To wit: paintballers trying to parasite off of our defence, and my desire to throw them an anchor rather than a lifeline if it keeps my silly hobby going for a bit longer.

I don't think there is a solution to that, other than to cry "why oh why can't we all just get along", with the same effects as that plea has had in every other brother-war since Abel and Cain.

So true. But we can dream...
 

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[Floperator]

...let you build an unlimited armoury of unrecorded smoothbores, up to 2" cannons...

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All shotguns you possess must be recorded on your certificate, and you can only have as many as you can store securely in FEO approved gunsafes (for which the guidance has recently changed, no more cheap cabinets, now you need a proper safe).

 

[Rogerborg]

Eh??? They're still legal. They just have extra conditions for ownership. The 50cal owners club was at the Northern Shooting Show the other day, so it's still very much alive and kicking.

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Ah, last I checked, they were on the "ban their face off" list along with MARS, not because one was used in anger, but because one was stolen, and then recovered.  I didn't spot that The Saj gave them a respite, to the performative horror of the usual suspects.

All shotguns you possess must be recorded on your certificate, and you can only have as many as you can store securely in FEO approved gunsafes (for which the guidance has recently changed, no more cheap cabinets, now you need a proper safe).

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Cheerfully corrected - I haven't looked into this in detail since the 1990s when "proper" shotgun users were sniffy that historic reenactors were getting SGCs for buying black powder muskets and small cannons, and wanted a separate category for us.  It's always been rats in a sack.

 

[Rogerborg]

Tee hee. Just seen this on Twatter.

It's both hilarious and appalling how many of the replies are apparently sincere "Rrrraragh MUH Secund Amundmant rites!  Molton Labia!!!!!!"

Even after having the obvious pointed out, it's "MUH PIONT STILL STANS!!!!"  

 

[Shamal]

Haha.

You can shoot anything but hit nothing ?

 

[Tommikka]

Tee hee. Just seen this on Twatter.



It's both hilarious and appalling how many of the replies are apparently sincere "Rrrraragh MUH Secund Amundmant rites!  Molton Labia!!!!!!"

Even after having the obvious pointed out, it's "MUH PIONT STILL STANS!!!!"  

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[Cannonfodder]

Haha.

You can shoot anything but hit nothing ?

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Sounds like most airsofters 

 

[shadowfacex]

The way things go around in the UK (and the world) is worrying and baffling at the same time. Some old farts under pressure from woke social justice warriors (“or else I won’t vote for you!”) and shady orgs that have no idea what they’re talking about manage to impose further and further restrictions on us, citizens, just because they can, in the name of something nobody can grasp: safety.

The problem I think is in the toxic polarisation of arguments and lack of nuanced, deep conversations between people. We just take in what the media, the politicians, our neighbours, our coworkers currently support and try to fit in, because nobody wants to be the odd one out. Instead of thinking we react with the first response.

It takes real guts to stand up and say “you’re talking rubbish mate” following with a coherent counterpoint that will prompt that person to think for themselves.

Given our track record within the past two years, I don’t think we have much time left until our teaspoons and kitchen towels will be banned too, since *they pose incredible danger to society as a whole.* For goodness sake, they could be an offensive weapon, AM I RIGHT LADS?! ?

It’s the time of great coddling of the minds and bodies.

We can make fun of it all and cover our laughter/cry with cynicism/memes, but that won’t help make things better. "Hard times make strong men,” and if you don’t stand up for what you enjoy, don’t cry when they come for your beloved toys and boomsticks.

 

[Floperator]

lol wtf are you on about. Absolutely childlike understanding of firearms law and the political zeitgeist, mixed in with some cliche quasi-fascistic 4chan meme bullshit.

 

[Rogerborg]

MOLTEN LABIA!!!

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I don't really disagree with you, but neither do I kid myself that we're going to see a return to facts-and-reason-based discussion.  Demographics is destiny, and our trajectory is towards Idiocracy, not Star Trek.  I'm just enjoying what's left of the ride.

 

[shadowfacex]

lol wtf are you on about. Absolutely childlike understanding of firearms law and the political zeitgeist, mixed in with some cliche quasi-fascistic 4chan meme bullshit.

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i’m glad your opinion is a matter-of-factly rebuttal focused on addressing my points rather than a poor judgment of my understanding of the current memetic reality we live in. /s

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