choosing a budget aeg advice wanted

[stig]

This may have been said earlier in the thread (sorry for not wading through 6 pages of replies) - but if budget is tight, why not buy used?

I have about 12 RIFs in my 'collection' and all but 2 are used (and those 2 are G&G ).

Used will net you a more expensive gun at a lower price and likely to have mags, batteries, upgrades and goodness knows what else with it.

Some may argue 'yeah, but it's orobably had, like a 10000000 bbs through it' but in my experience that's not usually the case. We tend to be quite precious about our shiny pewpews and so 'most' at least get reasonably looked after. Look for something boxed or cased and hasn't been painted (that causes more hassle than its worth IMHO). My local site has a trading table which has some decent stuff and you at least have some recourse to the seller or the weapon in question is known to the regulars. It's also a bit like a car that's out of warranty, because you're less worried about taking it to bits to fiddle/upgrade - if you're that way inclined of course (I certainly am). I only started playing earlier this year, but can confidently strip, shim, upgrade, R-Hop etc. YouTube is your friend in this respect (well, that and patience and steady hands).

I can completely understand the appeal of that shiny box-fresh appeal, but within a game or two you'll be sporting sratches, dings anyway, so you'll also have something with some patina

 

[Samurai]

Jg mp5

Cyma ak

The AK is more reliable, the Mp5 is more ergonomic. The AK will develop the loose fire selector issue with time.

Unless you go with the tactical AK, both need additional rail to mount red dot.

Compared to the long AK, the mp5 is more versatile, but if you are going for the short AK, then these are really quite equal in every aspect.

 

[Albiscuit]

Ok so ive narrowed it down to 2 guns out of everything thats been mentioned.

Jg mp5

Cyma ak

Which one would you rate higher?

Really dont want that m4

this is the thing, we wasnt (mostly) saying get an M4 is just for your budget, and the fact you seem desperate to buy a cheapo gun to get started than people (myself included) were talking about M4s, as they are often the easiest and in a combat machine case the most reliable option to start with. 

You have found some alternatives which are great, another m4 out there would be boring. Its just to get something you would be happy with you may need to look a bot harder or spend a little more.

the car anology has been done to death, but it works. Airsoft guns are like cars, theres thousands of shapes styles colours and options. Ultimately they all do the same, just in a different way and we dont want you turning up to a drag race in a robin reliant  

As to your choice above I cannot help you, but I know both have been discussed on here, and FFS have a read of the post @Jedi_Master stuck up a little while ago. 

I was like you, had a million questions, asked the same questions to different people but actually learnt more in one evening reading all the guides and sticky's on here as everyone have their own opinions and occasionally you get conflicting answers and the odd sarcastic one your not sure about!.

Personally I would either bite the bullet and just buy something you like the look of and can afford and stop with the constant questions and research nd get out there and play, your only going to confuse yourself or end up in your 80s still looking for that perfect £80 gun or just wait till after xmas and try to get another £50-£100 quid to actually get something better or more of what you want!

 

[Rogerborg]

get out there and play

Do eeeeeeeet.

 

[commanderpegasus420]

I know it may have sragged on last night but you never know if someoene knows of something better and more to my taste.

I have been looking through the used se tion here and made offers on the ones i am interested in but 100 will only get me so far with something im interested in.

Yh i probly fanboyd abit over that army r85 ive done a fair bit of digging on it and im not willing to drop another 100 in ot just to make it work when the ics l85 is good out of box. Ill save for one next year when i have some moneys freed up.

For now im still unsure which of the 2 guns to get they both have gd n bad points.

Ive seen snapped hopups on the mp5s and broken selctors and the odd gearbox malfunction of both on the internet.

Just to point something out though and you can see how unsure i was during this post but im unsure therefore need to converse with others to solve 

And theres also now quite a lost of guns sub 100 if any other noobs who end up needing the answers to questions ive pondered.

I should be good to go in a fortnight. Gotta get some eye pro n few other bits of surplus n one of them aegs n im ready to rock n roll 

Peg

 

[Albiscuit]

For now im still unsure which of the 2 guns to get they both have gd n bad points.

Ive seen snapped hopups on the mp5s and broken selctors and the odd gearbox malfunction of both on the internet.

Everything breaks.... I dont mean to be funny or rude but you have only seen what has been put online, you have no real world experience on either of those guns. Dont get caught up too much in what people write online.

Im sure there are people who will never by a BMW as they had an uncle who got run over by one!!

Just choose the one YOU like the look of and can use. Remeber they are both different types of guns. You will need different batteries and mags for either and then pouches for them too. 

For every good point there will be a bad one and for every good post you read someone will rubbish it based on their experience. As you have little experience just grab one and go and then form your own opinion, no doubt there are a tonne of vids of broken krytacs, doesnt mean they should never be bought!

All guns whether abused, not cleaned or just due to unlucky accidents will snap/blow/shear or break at some point. Nothing lasts forever!

 

[Sitting Duck]

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[commanderpegasus420]

Im going with the cyma ak with the faux wood if i buy it from gun fire.pl they do free two tone and donwgrades and its cheaper too.

Im going to get a drum mag and bipod for it and use as a light support weapon. My lil bro does wood work so when i eventually get my ukara ill get him to make some furniture like the rpk or rpd uses.

I think the mp5 is good but wv the ak i could adapt it to different game sites and not be outgunned too badly outdoors.

Thx everyone for the info and the help finding a decent aeg.

I will be able to attend my local in a couple weeks just got eye pro and aeg to go now 

Pegasus

 

[Hangtight]

Im going to get a drum mag and bipod for it and use as a light support weapon.

Standard AK high cap magazines hold 600 rounds, plus the motor, wiring and trigger contacts aren't really up to sustained fire. The gearbox and piston etc are up to the job though, once things like angle of engagement, shimming and lubrication are sorted out.

My lil bro does wood work so when i eventually get my ukara ill get him to make some furniture like the rpk or rpd uses.

He'd better be good! I'm a joiner with a decent workshop and I'd rather buy a set than try and make it.

But you can make some cool customs with AKs if you get bored...

Have fun.

 

[Rogerborg]

Im going to get a drum mag and bipod for it and use as a light support weapon.

Less plan, more play.

I think the mp5 is good but wv the ak i could adapt it to different game sites and not be outgunned too badly outdoors.

How and why do you imagine they'd perform any differently?

 

[L3wisD]

>I want an AEG to play CQB with

>AK47 with a drum mag

 

[commanderpegasus420]

That looks awesome hangtight you use that as an svu??

Rogerborg its all well and good saying go and do it but i have no eye pro and would only be able to use my aep lol

With the barrel lentgh being shorter on the mp5 it will have a less accurate trajectory because the bb has less of a str8 line to travel through and send it further. With a shorter barrel the forces pushing tye projectile will bleed off much quicker than a longer barrel would.

Thats why most rifles and artillery pieces  have long barrels.

And yh cqb wv an lmg. Will be a good addition to the support/sniper role im going for.

Plus if i do eventually get a sidecar i got something to stick on the top of it.

Realistacally i chose the ak cz i am abit crippled and probly not the wisest idea to go storming buildings but setting up on a corner and emptying a few mags in the windows would be much more suited to me. 

I plan to assist the rushers with sustained or accurate fire support with either an lsw or the sniper

Peg

 

[Gepard]

With the barrel lentgh being shorter on the mp5 it will have a less accurate trajectory because the bb has less of a str8 line to travel through and send it further. 

What? Have you not been paying attention?

 

[Hangtight]

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With the barrel lentgh being shorter on the mp5 it will have a less accurate trajectory because the bb has less of a str8 line to travel through and send it further. With a shorter barrel the forces pushing tye projectile will bleed off much quicker than a longer barrel would.

Thats why most rifles and artillery pieces  have long barrels.

Not in Airsoft. Once barrel length is over about 200mm it has absolutely zero impact on accuracy. BB weight and quality plus consistency of hop and air delivery are the driving factors in how accurate an Airsoft gun is.

Different barrel length is why cylinders are ported to give various different working volumes for the same basic piston stroke. And the heavier the  BB the more air volume you want for a given barrel length.

I built the AK bullpup from a £30 boneyard SRC RPK picked up at a local site boot sale, and it's set up to fire semi and 3 round burst that transitions into full auto if you keep the trigger down. I have thought about pushing the fps to 400 and locking it to semi only, but it's way to much fun as it is.

 

[Sitting Duck]

>I want an AEG to play CQB with

>AK47 with a drum mag

Firehawk DSG with 5000 box mag.....



Lots of silly stuff out there - some I have done but calmed down and gone back to more sensible stuff

still - was fun though.....

dumba$$ 5000 rnd box mag - manual version

daft electric one is too much dosh and more crap to wrong imho

http://www.taiwangun.com/en/grenade-launchers-grenades/5000rd-electric-box-magazine-for-ar-15-m4-black-pj?from=listing&campaign-id=19

tbh it is just a tester poops n giggles - done now doing silly stuff

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Airsoft guns and real weapons do not work the same. A real gun uses a rifled barrel which creates spin and stabilises the round. An airsoft gun barrel is just a tube look up the Bernoulli effect.

After about 200mm barrel length makes very little difference. Its the hop up which mainly gives you range and accuracy coupled with a smooth airflow and good quality and weight bbs.

 

[L3wisD]

With the barrel lentgh being shorter on the mp5 it will have a less accurate trajectory because the bb has less of a str8 line to travel through and send it further. With a shorter barrel the forces pushing tye projectile will bleed off much quicker than a longer barrel would.

Thats why most rifles and artillery pieces  have long barrels.

 

[commanderpegasus420]

If u have the force of the air or gas pushing a bb up a pipe if the pipes shorter its only going to push it so far cz the force is bled off quicker because the force can escape quicker and the projectile will have less momentum cz it was not propelled long enough.

If you had a overly long barrel and not enough force it would bleed off before exiting. 

 

[commanderpegasus420]

A rifled barrel is for accuracy and to help stop bleeding of the forces pushing it.

 They actually work very similar to bb guns only the led slug is propelled by an explosion and conforms to the barrels shape.

The bb is propelled in a similar way by air or gas but it doesnt need rifling becuase it isnt melting and conforming to the barrels shape. Therefore is useless on a bb gun.

 

[Sitting Duck]

If u have the force of the air or gas pushing a bb up a pipe if the pipes shorter its only going to push it so far cz the force is bled off quicker because the force can escape quicker and the projectile will have less momentum cz it was not propelled long enough.

If you had a overly long barrel and not enough force it would bleed off before exiting. 

That is why you choose the cylinder volume/port to suit the barrel (perhaps bb you are using as heavy bb's need a bit more air too)

Airsoft range is mainly due to the magnus effect - the backspin the hop applies to bb

without this the bb will travel about a quarter of the distance with no hop