choosing a budget aeg advice wanted

[jcheeseright]

The difference between a G&G M4 and the Cyma equivalent is like the difference between a 20 year old Vauxhall nova and a 2 year old VW Polo.  While they're both made of metal and have wheels the experience is very different. 

Dont fall for the 'full metal' shite, full metal usually just means they've die cast some sh*t leftovers from the scrap yard instead of spending money on a plastic moulding process.  Especially at the budget you're talking about. 

Please by all means ignore us all and buy a piece of cheap sh*t, but you'll only end up making a load of threads in a few weeks asking how to improve the range/accuracy or how to replace a stripped piston etc. 

 

[Sitting Duck]

Whats the difference between the g&g raider and the cyma version of it? 

Looks almost identical and seems to have the exact same features ie metal gearbox polymer body metal parts

I don't have a problem with the Cyma's but you do get what you pay for

not an issue if you are going to gut the gun or know what you are buying

BUT they are never in same league as the G&G starters like the Raider

Receiver - G&G wins

(polymer receiver is a little more resilient than hard cyma plastic receiver)

Motor - G&G just wins but both are lame stock motors. G&G is a bit more quality 18k rpm (Blue G&G is better)

(cyma is 28tpa very cheap but has D pinion - G&G 27tpa o pinion but can is better to re-use (similar can to SHS (no tabs)))

Hop/Barrel - G&G wins due to bucking but cyma barrel is quite decent-ish

Externally - G&G wins by a mile, from the ccw flash hider where cyma is just pushed on

metal buffer tube Vs Cyma plastic one, better quality sights on G&G though cheap cyma crane has a little more room

Raider has pull down dust cover, cyma drops down but cheapo and may need a little attention/grease to work perfectly

(but just in general the cyma does feel cheaper in every way)

Gearbox - G&G easily but cyma is perhaps a bit more robust but qwirky & not so smooth running imho

plus upgrades in a cyma box need a little more work like 13:1 gears, trimmed tappet plate etc.....

Battery - ergh cyma coz you don't get a freebie with G&G

but if you was to buy one most likely you should go lipo and be done with it

Summing up Raider Vs CM517.....

if you can get cyma for £70 and looking to tweak it yourself with the money saved - maybe the cyma

Raider for £120 is still the wiser go to option if I had to choose & recommend one

Ahhhh, but if you was thinking of getting one to upgrade then cyma is the best ???

Not quite - If I can get a s/hand Raider in need of a service then I'd choose that I think as a base to upgrade

By all means buy what you want, just explaining the differences between the two

THAT is why many suggest the G&G M4's

The L85 or R85 is perhaps a gun you might perhaps buy as a third gun one day if you still desire one

 

[clumpyedge]

If £100 is your budget and experienced players are saying that buying a gun under/within that budget is likely to only lead you to having to

• fix it
  
• buy a new one after it dies
  

Why not save a little longer and get something that has a bit more of a reputable review and still within your choice of being a bullpup etc. I can understand the excitement of wanting to get a new gun and being new to the hobby wanting to jump in and get going but like many others will attest to buying cheap means you will more than likely end up buying twice.

I'm loosing count of the amount of new players to the sport (and I'm not saying this you by any means just stating a fact) that come on forums, ask for advice, don't listen to said advice and then come back a few weeks later asking why their gun is now in bits on the floor because its inevitably died.

 

[Rogerborg]

CYMA reviews start more with "it didnt suck like I expected it to".

Ooh, ooh, that's me, that's me.

£75 for the cheapest M4 from Patrol Base got me a surprisingly usable-out-of-the-box gun for CQB, is all I'll say.  I may regret it in a few months, I may not, but I reckon I'll probably break it by making pointless improvements before it has a chance to wreck itself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, commanderpegasus, but you haven't actually skirmished yet, let alone got a UKARA, so are you prepared to wait, go with a two-tone from gunfire.pl / PatrolBase, try and buy a used RIF, or what?

I ask because where you're buying from will effect the price and availability and value proposition of your candidate guns.

 

[Sitting Duck]

I am keen on the r85. The owners ive seen on youtube rate it highly and for half

I also used one in the cadets so it feels abit homey to me i guess. 

I am considering other options but so far this one really calls out to me just on the specs alone.

Army Armament R85 - really or do you think you want one coz Army/Cadets etc.....

(It is one of them guns imho you "think" you want but often people may not keep once they got it out of system)

Yup - I guessed so

Wait until the clickety clackety blow back breaks

it keeps getting stuck precocked on low juice

or you use higher juice batteries on a low spring

or you get fed up fumbling with battery

They are unique guns, but need a caring owner who really loves them - hence maybe not a first/second choice of gun

Spoon has one he has done a lot of work on his AA R85

Airsoft Ed had an ICS one that was in a league of its own but there was no expense spared to obtain this

So the possible choice of L85 as first gun & simply straight out of box may not be the most wisest choice perhaps

 

[commanderpegasus420]

Since when was plastic superior to metal?

Im buying two tone only rogerborg and can only buy in next 3 4 weeks as i wont have the cash to skirmish and run a bike and save at the same time.

Yes im a noob no im not sitting here pulling the wool over my eyes for a shiny gun.

Ive said im considering other guns but plastic guns im not really.keen on.

Plus will i actually enjoy owning what your reccomending?

 

[clumpyedge]

Since when was plastic superior to metal?

Im buying two tone only rogerborg and can only buy in next 3 4 weeks as i wont have the cash to skirmish and run a bike and save at the same time.

Yes im a noob no im not sitting here pulling the wool over my eyes for a shiny gun.

Ive said im considering other guns but plastic guns im not really.keen on.

Plus will i actually enjoy owning what your reccomending?

Is it out of the realms of possibility to go somewhere (like a shop near by) and try out a few guns or at least hold a few and see what you like? anyone can recommend a gun based on your descriptions of what you like but until you actually hold it yourself how would you know if you feel comfortable with it or as you say enjoy owning it?

 

[Rogerborg]

Since when was plastic superior to metal?

Since Gaston Glock used it by choice around about 1980?

High-quality polymer vs low-quality pot metal arguments aside, on my first outing I took the opportunity to handle some plastic and some metal IFs.  I quickly decided that I'd leave metal to the milsimers.  That R85A1 you're looking at claims to be 5kg.  I'm thinking of your hernia.

Yes im a noob

So am I, and nothing I said was intended as a criticism.  We're on the same voyage of discovery.  However, I would urge you to skirmish at least once and blag a go with as many guns as possible before deciding.

Based on that, I'd have got the silenced JG MP5... if I wasn't such a tight Scotch git.

Plus will i actually enjoy owning what your reccomending?

Can't see where I recommended anything.  I think I've been fairly careful to say only that the cheap CYMA M4s are usable for CQB (and specifically for semi auto at fairly close ranges).  Light, cheap, upgrade parts are readily available.

Mine works for me as a way to play until I figure out how committed I am and what I really want to run with, is all.  I wouldn't actively recommend them, and fully accept that there are better and more interesting guns out there, if you want to commit to paying a bit more.

 

[commanderpegasus420]

I do plan on going to the local shop but looking at guns i cant afford is fairly pointless. 

im fine with upper body is the abdomen thats buggared things like running and jumping squeezes the mesh and causes pain n discomfort.

i saw one weighed at 3.5kg.

my sniper is a similar weight.

i was looking at the jg mp5s but no idea what the internals are like.

 

[clumpyedge]

I do plan on going to the local shop but looking at guns i cant afford is fairly pointless. 

im fine with upper body is the abdomen thats buggared things like running and jumping squeezes the mesh and causes pain n discomfort.

i saw one weighed at 3.5kg.

my sniper rifle is a similar weight.

i was looking at the jg mp5s but no idea what the internals are like.

Not really... how often do you walk in a shop just for a browse? I know I do if something has peaked my interest even if I don't have the money for it.

Again, just because you don't have the money now is it not impossible to save for something if its what you really want? that's how I've acquired the majority of the kit and guns I run even if its taken me 6 or so months or longer to save for it

 

[Gepard]

Just to add, I bought my first gun after my 5th game. Why not have a look at some of your local players' guns next time you head down? I'm sure they'd be more than happy to let you try them on the range. There's no rush to buy all your kit straight away.

 

[commanderpegasus420]

There is a rush. I have probly til the end of month to accumulate things before the xmas rush. 

Thatll bump my budget close to 200 and thats as high as i can push it with xmas and now my bike is almost done after thats insured and what not ill have a little spare cash for airsofting.

I could save up but then i will be waiting longer to get the bike back on road and ultimately wait longer before i can go airsofting. And ive been waiting a year already to get my ass back on that bike lol

 

[Gepard]

If you're on such a tight budget why not wait? Surely it's better to play the game rather than having all the gear and no money left over to actually go play?

 

[commanderpegasus420]

Thats why i need a cheap gun. 

I need to get some surplus and eye pro this month and if i can find a cheap gun i can go airspft at the end of the month. 

When the bikes done i can travel to other sites with higher fps limits but ultimately wont have the spare cash to save for guns at least not any time in the next 6 maybe 7 months. 

Plus if my aep or sniper breaks i have a backup then. 

If i cant find something reasonable i like then i will wait til the end of month and get an army r85 or something around that price bracket but ultimately will have to wait longer to go and do airsoft

 

[Hangtight]

Just to nudge this back in the right direction...and with the benefit of experience.

While cheap AEGS can be a blast and work OK at a skirmish, there are a few cheap/free mods that will make them as effective as a more expensive gun.

However, whatever the gun, it's only going to be a good as the supporting equipment. Don't forget you are going to need batteries and a charger (go lipo), plus extra magazines.

If you skimp on these then you will be buying them again fairly shortly.

JG guns are solid performers, fairly well made and definitely worth hanging onto and upgrading in the future. There is a reason that so many sites use JG G36's as hire equipment.

There is nothing that will spoil airsoft for you quicker than having crap gear. The doesn't mean it has to be expensive, but don't cheap out. It's a good idea to maybe try a game or two with a hire gun. Don't think of it as wasted money, in fact it might save you a stack, especially if you get your face known at a site and someone has got something to sell.

 

[commanderpegasus420]

Im buying my own guns cz i cant afford to rent. Its half price with my own equipment.

If the mp5 jg gearbox is metal then its problem solved and i can buy that and start airsoft end of the month

 

[Hangtight]

JG gearboxes are metal and reasonably put together. JG polymer bodies are also often stronger than pot metal bodies too.

 

[commanderpegasus420]

Does anyone have any experience with the well r4 mp7? Ive seen a breakdown and they got a metal gearbox.

There also cheaper than the jg mp5s.

Anyone rate them?

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Does anyone have any experience with the well r4 mp7? Ive seen a breakdown and they got a metal gearbox.

There also cheaper than the jg mp5s.

Anyone rate them?

Its shite

 

[Hangtight]

A metal gearbox is no indication of quality or longevity. A 20 quid cordless drill from Lidl and my £400 Makita both have metal gearboxes....