jcheeseright
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don't get that alcohol on a hop rubber, other than that it's all good.
Barrel Cleaning and Polishing
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Sitting Duck
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Alcho wipes - just easier all round
few quid for 100 on fleabay
if in ya bag then a small pair of scissors would help......
open pouch, unfold the wipe and cut in half....
one half put to one side
the other half clean barrel 90% of the way max to avoid hop
by the time you cleaned barrel a couple of passes....
the other square is nigh on dry and do do a final pass to clean/polish
(though alcho would of evaporated it just helps to do a final pass with a dry/dryer clean wipe)
silicone oil is only to be used if you know what you are doing and even then it is risky
plus you need only a lightly damp alcho wipe and if you ever think of using silicone - the tinyest spec on a rag is plenty
polish silicone is a must but as I said use just alcho in modest amounts for a while until you get the hang of it
The clever stuff is getting to know your gun - so that you feel it might need cleaning when it is shooting a bit weird
You don't have to clean barrel after every mag/round/game.....
if you go too heavy handed and keep using dirty cloth/tissue then you can scratch barrel anyway
so clean it really when you think it might need it - not coz it has been half hour since I last cleaned her
if it still shoots $hit after you cleaned barrel - then no amount of barrel cleaning is gonna make it shoot 30m further/straighter
few quid for 100 on fleabay
if in ya bag then a small pair of scissors would help......
open pouch, unfold the wipe and cut in half....
one half put to one side
the other half clean barrel 90% of the way max to avoid hop
by the time you cleaned barrel a couple of passes....
the other square is nigh on dry and do do a final pass to clean/polish
(though alcho would of evaporated it just helps to do a final pass with a dry/dryer clean wipe)
silicone oil is only to be used if you know what you are doing and even then it is risky
plus you need only a lightly damp alcho wipe and if you ever think of using silicone - the tinyest spec on a rag is plenty
polish silicone is a must but as I said use just alcho in modest amounts for a while until you get the hang of it
The clever stuff is getting to know your gun - so that you feel it might need cleaning when it is shooting a bit weird
You don't have to clean barrel after every mag/round/game.....
if you go too heavy handed and keep using dirty cloth/tissue then you can scratch barrel anyway
so clean it really when you think it might need it - not coz it has been half hour since I last cleaned her
if it still shoots $hit after you cleaned barrel - then no amount of barrel cleaning is gonna make it shoot 30m further/straighter
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jcheeseright
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alcohol is a strong solvent, while I can't say for sure it'll damage whatever his hop rubber is made of it certainly won't do it any good!
Sitting Duck
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It is probably just good sense to keep any stuff away from bucking though I will state I do not know....
Over time the ridge in the bucking may become dirty and even "polished" or a sheen may appear from so called "polished bb's"
You push enough stuff across any surface and wear and smooth possible polished surface may take place.....
This bit I'm fairly certain must happen over time which must affect the hop or magnus effect
suppose the more hop factor comes into play but up to a point where nub/ridge applies too much force rather than grip to produce backspin
Now one of the best things to reduce slip or oil/greasy stuff is good ol' warm soapy suds from washing up liquid
So you could clean bucking in this but truth be told the risk of damage if stripping down unit increases
Truth be told if its that crap - replace bucking......
But based on the theory/fact about washing up liquid.....
MAYBE - when installing a new bucking, wash the thing first in washing up liquid to create a cleaner & more "grippy" surface
That should create backspin without needing so much force on bucking......
This bit is totally untested but one of my things to consider and try but always after fitting I think - damn I meant to do that....
Cleaning with any solution may leave a possible residue but alcho should be ok if ridge is dirty/contaminated but still could leave a light deposit
(though can't be no worse than a really $hitted up ridge)
The other main problem is if you ram that rod past the ridge - even if you clean it better you may damage the bucking lips
and either feed problem or bb's feed too easy into barrel/hop - it should have a slight grip but slight moderate pressure to pop bb into barrel under ridge/nub.
Best sound advice is to keep away from bucking and consider possible cleaning of whole barrel with hop turned off if the bucking/ridge seems crap
(worth a go I guess but most likely new bucking may be needed if bucking is damaged - most likely)
Me personally - clean barrel say 85%ish of the way and play a little cautious rather than - ooh f*ck now its much worse
(wish I had a quid for each time I tweaked something and the ar$e fell out of it, the amount of time at work I had to spend getting something back to how it was 95% ok when my little tweak/improvement resulted in all the wheels falling off after going from round to mega pear shape)
Over time the ridge in the bucking may become dirty and even "polished" or a sheen may appear from so called "polished bb's"
You push enough stuff across any surface and wear and smooth possible polished surface may take place.....
This bit I'm fairly certain must happen over time which must affect the hop or magnus effect
suppose the more hop factor comes into play but up to a point where nub/ridge applies too much force rather than grip to produce backspin
Now one of the best things to reduce slip or oil/greasy stuff is good ol' warm soapy suds from washing up liquid
So you could clean bucking in this but truth be told the risk of damage if stripping down unit increases
Truth be told if its that crap - replace bucking......
But based on the theory/fact about washing up liquid.....
MAYBE - when installing a new bucking, wash the thing first in washing up liquid to create a cleaner & more "grippy" surface
That should create backspin without needing so much force on bucking......
This bit is totally untested but one of my things to consider and try but always after fitting I think - damn I meant to do that....
Cleaning with any solution may leave a possible residue but alcho should be ok if ridge is dirty/contaminated but still could leave a light deposit
(though can't be no worse than a really $hitted up ridge)
The other main problem is if you ram that rod past the ridge - even if you clean it better you may damage the bucking lips
and either feed problem or bb's feed too easy into barrel/hop - it should have a slight grip but slight moderate pressure to pop bb into barrel under ridge/nub.
Best sound advice is to keep away from bucking and consider possible cleaning of whole barrel with hop turned off if the bucking/ridge seems crap
(worth a go I guess but most likely new bucking may be needed if bucking is damaged - most likely)
Me personally - clean barrel say 85%ish of the way and play a little cautious rather than - ooh f*ck now its much worse
(wish I had a quid for each time I tweaked something and the ar$e fell out of it, the amount of time at work I had to spend getting something back to how it was 95% ok when my little tweak/improvement resulted in all the wheels falling off after going from round to mega pear shape)
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It's fairly strong, yes - though I'd argue not strong enough to have an effect on the materials hop rubbers are made from. The reason I clean the bucking with isopropyl alcohol is just to get any silicone off it that's been travelling down the barrel from the green gas or lube in the rest of the gun. Certainly send a paper towel down the bore to get it off right after, but I'm not sure if avoiding it altogether is the most optimum way either as people do get dirt and lube on their buckings all the time.
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Sitting Duck
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Think it is more possible risk of damage from mishap in cleaning than the alcho itself
yup as said possible cleaning of bucking in barrel if really bad but still a risk of damage if user isn't very very careful
As I don't wanna get sued for somebody saying - You said it would be safe to do this and now my bucking is shagged...
I'm sticking with the cautious side of things and play safe avoid hop unit if possible....
Disclaimer - Your bucking may be at risk if you do not apply common sense when maintaining your gun
if you do not have any common sense and pour in instead any chemicals you find around the house
then you should seek profesional advice first before trying to maintain your gun
other factors may apply if you are too f*cking stupid to own a gun and not sure which end is which or where bb's come out
Yup think I should safe from being sued by some 12yr old kid with a JBBG gun
my gun is shooting $hit now...
No your gun from JBBG was always shooting $hit - just now its a bit cleaner inside
Still $hit but cleaner $hit
think that covers it
yup as said possible cleaning of bucking in barrel if really bad but still a risk of damage if user isn't very very careful
As I don't wanna get sued for somebody saying - You said it would be safe to do this and now my bucking is shagged...
I'm sticking with the cautious side of things and play safe avoid hop unit if possible....
Disclaimer - Your bucking may be at risk if you do not apply common sense when maintaining your gun
if you do not have any common sense and pour in instead any chemicals you find around the house
then you should seek profesional advice first before trying to maintain your gun
other factors may apply if you are too f*cking stupid to own a gun and not sure which end is which or where bb's come out
Yup think I should safe from being sued by some 12yr old kid with a JBBG gun
my gun is shooting $hit now...
No your gun from JBBG was always shooting $hit - just now its a bit cleaner inside
Still $hit but cleaner $hit
think that covers it
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Just to show why cleaning your brand new gun/barrel is necessary....
Here is the result of cleaning my new PDI 6.05mm barrel which turned up today:
No idea how it would have affected accuracy had I not cleaned it as I always clean them before fitting but am hitting a flag pole (just a bit larger diameter than a broom handle roughly) in not a small amount of wind at around 60m on my KC-02!
Here is the result of cleaning my new PDI 6.05mm barrel which turned up today:
No idea how it would have affected accuracy had I not cleaned it as I always clean them before fitting but am hitting a flag pole (just a bit larger diameter than a broom handle roughly) in not a small amount of wind at around 60m on my KC-02!
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I find new guns tend to fire a lot of grease down into the barrel as well which requires cleaning. They might start clean but after that first game with a G&G I put about 30 pieces of kitchen towel through it to clean up. Got less of a problem after a few games but they do get filthy and I had a pile a lot bigger than that!
Yeah, my G&G GC16 came with a pretty filthy barrel. Probably just protective coating for storage/transport I guess. Or manufacture residue.
I use silicon oil and haven't had any trouble to be honest, though I use it very sparingly. And pull the hop up rubber all the way out first. Just make sure to send some dry paper towels down afterwards until they come out as bone dry as they went in.
I use silicon oil and haven't had any trouble to be honest, though I use it very sparingly. And pull the hop up rubber all the way out first. Just make sure to send some dry paper towels down afterwards until they come out as bone dry as they went in.
I'm just wanting to know how you guys can get your barrel so dirty? I skirmish wth my rifle sling and have never encountered an opportunity where my barrel is stuck into the dirt. Like how do you have to fall before u use your rifle as a fork? Wouldn't it be easier to just fall with the thicker stock onto the ground? I clean mine after some games or before storage but dirt never comes out.
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It's more BB residue, which you won't see against a tissue/kitchen towel anyway. Depends on the ammo, level of polish, air volume etc. - basically never the same between any two people. I try to use bios which tend to leave a bit more residue.
Silicone being blasted down the barrel from GBBRs makes a big difference too as that'll collect dust and stuff (but does make cleaning marginally easier).
I mostly clean the barrel just to clean the bucking carefully with alcohol though, because I've found that does actually make a noticeable difference from time to time. Again, especially when you have a GBBR or my DG that does sometimes send lube down the barrel and onto the bucking.
Silicone being blasted down the barrel from GBBRs makes a big difference too as that'll collect dust and stuff (but does make cleaning marginally easier).
I mostly clean the barrel just to clean the bucking carefully with alcohol though, because I've found that does actually make a noticeable difference from time to time. Again, especially when you have a GBBR or my DG that does sometimes send lube down the barrel and onto the bucking.
jcheeseright
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Have to clean the barrel in my GBB guns a lot more often than with electric guns. Propellant residue/dust/crap from magazines etc all builds up.
Sitting Duck
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are we still on this ???
if ya gun starts to lose its accuracy/range it is the first thing you should do - end of
crap gets EVERYWHERE - bits of bb plastic, heck specs of grease/oil, tiny fragments from sorbo/neoprene, minute particles from piston head or o-ring - the list goes on and any spec will affect stuff flying out your toy gun
has anybody got a chrono that doesn't rattle like a baby's toy
actually - scrap that question coz some flash bastid will chime in with a Caldwell chrono
(I was referring to usual airsoft xcortech chrono's but no doubt loads of bits of bb's in there like most others)
point is - crap can easily build up, in some guns more than others but all the same just a wipe now n then is just $hit you should do
if ya gun starts to lose its accuracy/range it is the first thing you should do - end of
crap gets EVERYWHERE - bits of bb plastic, heck specs of grease/oil, tiny fragments from sorbo/neoprene, minute particles from piston head or o-ring - the list goes on and any spec will affect stuff flying out your toy gun
has anybody got a chrono that doesn't rattle like a baby's toy
actually - scrap that question coz some flash bastid will chime in with a Caldwell chrono
(I was referring to usual airsoft xcortech chrono's but no doubt loads of bits of bb's in there like most others)
point is - crap can easily build up, in some guns more than others but all the same just a wipe now n then is just $hit you should do
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ahh, the stock factory grease. i see haha, it makes a lot more sense. never normally seen dark residue in my barrels, but my guns have madbull tightbores so.
ImTriggerHappy
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So you cant see it because the barrel is black?
no because when i retrieve the tissues from the cleaning rod there has never been any visible residue.
besides.. most of my barrel is white anyway
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I was trying to figure out the madbull reference because I dont get what the difference is between that and any other barrel.
If you never get any crap out thats strange because you normally get some residue from bbs and the occasional bit of grease from your gearbox. You either have a dry gearbox or are just really lucky.
If you never get any crap out thats strange because you normally get some residue from bbs and the occasional bit of grease from your gearbox. You either have a dry gearbox or are just really lucky.
the residue from bbs, silicone im guessing, would be pretty hard to spot anyway. my gearbox is properly tuned and lubricated ... efficiently, unlike stock GBs, so i wouldnt say im lucky, but if you get it right the gearbox wouldn't do you any problems nor would the barrels.
