Quick Questions & Simple Answers.

[Sitting Duck]

it is the weight or mass of the bb/projectile

normally min 0.20's are used - often 0.25's or heavier maybe by some

the lighter 0.12's don't always get felt under layers of protection/clothes very easily

also lighter bb's tend to be fly off course over distance

so for wimpy players playing close up 0.12's are ok

this where the " BB " sites specialise in crappy lower quality/price plinkers which is fine for that

Problem is that they tend to make the younger or newcomer believe these plinkers will be ok out on a skirmish site

They won't - 99% of them will put you at a disadvantage, some more than others

your £10 pistol has to be cocked everytime to fire, might only shoot say 240fps on 0.2's - maybe less coz often figures are max fps quoted

even on cqb sites that might be single shot at close range guns can still shoot say 7+ shots per second on semi with a decent trigger finger/gun

so you may scape 2 shots per second if lucky in a fire fight

but people do have a go especially if they like a challenge or wish to humiliate them using a crappy jbbg

just don't go nutz or get too stressed if ya get owned by a more proper gun/toy gun

This is supposed to be short thread so I'll just say 0.12's hurt the least

if that stings too much - then best wait a few years or man up a bit

 

[Trisnpod]

Ok I'll get the 270fps gun and use .12 BBs. I'm not planning on using it for skirmishes or anything serious, just for garden shootouts with my brother. If we really like it, we'll start saving up for more serious guns. I'm hoping he'll get over his fear of pain soon lol.

Even if he won't get a gun, that's fine by me - he just won't have anything to get me back with when I shoot him.

 

[Ian_Gere]

Just bear in mind that sites like justbbguns and bbguns4less, particularly jbbg, have a very poor reputation for customer service and also for making outrageous claims/printing outright lies about products they are selling. Those low power pistols are very poor quality - you will be lucky if they last for more than a few uses.

 

[Trisnpod]

Just bear in mind that sites like justbbguns and bbguns4less, particularly jbbg, have a very poor reputation for customer service and also for making outrageous claims/printing outright lies about products they are selling. Those low power pistols are very poor quality - you will be lucky if they last for more than a few uses.

Ok thanks, I will look more into reviews for that gun before I get it. Is there a more trustworthy website you recommend?

 

[sp00n]

anyone know where i can get a mag catch spring for a TM VSR, TM part number VSR-9

my google'fu has only turned up out of stock places, and i really don't want to buy another mag catch!

 

[Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies]

anyone know where i can get a mag catch spring for a TM VSR, TM part number VSR-9

my google'fu has only turned up out of stock places, and i really don't want to buy another mag catch!

In stock,54 JPY excluding shipping https://impulse101.jp/?product_cat=vsr-10-series

 

[sp00n]

In stock,54 JPY excluding shipping https://impulse101.jp/?product_cat=vsr-10-series

thanks for that mate, i don't really want to have to go to impulse, as i ordered stuff from them before, they didn't supply and went belly up, kinda left a bad taste if you know what i mean

 

[djben9]

Ok I'll get the 270fps gun and use .12 BBs. I'm not planning on using it for skirmishes or anything serious, just for garden shootouts with my brother. If we really like it, we'll start saving up for more serious guns. I'm hoping he'll get over his fear of pain soon lol.

Even if he won't get a gun, that's fine by me - he just won't have anything to get me back with when I shoot him.

just to add....i wasn't to worried about the hit factor at my first game but it crossed my mind when you look on youtube etc, i wouldt worry about it, and i got hit several times form various distances, only had a bruise on my fat side for a few days, prob from around 25m or so and a mark on my hand from about 5m, just for a split second but it goes and you carry on....

got hit on sat after putting my hand up and saying hit....some one shot my palm from a few meters, swore as you do it hurt for a minute but red mark had gone sunday afternoon.....so dont stress!

just do as they say and wear the recommended eyepro/facepro so you dont lose a tooth or your sight!

 

[Hef Legend]

thanks for that mate, i don't really want to have to go to impulse, as i ordered stuff from them before, they didn't supply and went belly up, kinda left a bad taste if you know what i mean

http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/marui-part-vsr7-vsr8-vsr9-mag-catch-release-button-catch--spring

 

[Trisnpod]

just to add....i wasn't to worried about the hit factor at my first game but it crossed my mind when you look on youtube etc, i wouldt worry about it, and i got hit several times form various distances, only had a bruise on my fat side for a few days, prob from around 25m or so and a mark on my hand from about 5m, just for a split second but it goes and you carry on....

got hit on sat after putting my hand up and saying hit....some one shot my palm from a few meters, swore as you do it hurt for a minute but red mark had gone sunday afternoon.....so dont stress!

just do as they say and wear the recommended eyepro/facepro so you dont lose a tooth or your sight!

If it was up to me I would get the 270fps with .12 or .20 BBs but my brother's a bit wary of how much it will hurt. Hopefully he'll decide he likes it and it doesn't hurt as much as he thought and we'll get better guns.

Also, does anyone of any more trustworthy websites they would recommend instead of justbbguns and bbguns4less where I could get a decent cheap entry level pistol. (Preferably a springer for extra cheapness). It's just for garden battles with my brother at the moment, not for skirmishing or anything serious.

 

[Trisnpod]

Most reviews for the guns I've been looking at say that after 10-15 metres, the hop up makes the bb fly upwards massively, so accuracy is awful at anything over that range. Does hop up make that much of a difference to the range, and would I get further accurate range with a gun that doesn't have hop up?

 

[proffrink]

That can depend on whether it's an adjustable or fixed hop up - it's probably fixed, and if that's the case it's probably made for 0.20g BBs, not 0.12g. It's also possible that a poor design means it's simply overhopping and curving upwards into the sky like people say, or they're also using lighter 0.12g BBs that it's not designed for.

This is not a problem you can really get around without switching the weight of the BB or adjusting the hop to a lower setting (which I doubt is possible on such a budget as they tend to be fixed). Hop helps massively with any airsoft gun to keep a flatter trajectory over long distances. If you're only shooting between 10-15m you won't notice it, but at about 20m it becomes very obvious as your BB either flies upwards (too much hop) or just drops to the ground (too little hop). A heavier BB will want to drop quicker, but with a good hop will actually go a lot further than a lighter BB and that's why most airsoft guns are designed for using 0.20g or over - even the very cheap ones.

 

[Ian_Gere]

Ok thanks, I will look more into reviews for that gun before I get it. Is there a more trustworthy website you recommend?

Action Hobbies do a couple of springer pistols - they are pretty reputable: I've bought from them several times with no issues, however some people have reported bad experiences. That said, they are one of the larger retailers so you'd expect that out of the thousands of sales they make, some will always cock up and people do tend to shout louder about their shitty experiences than they do about the good ones.

The thing to bear in mind is that a cheap springer is a very poor introduction to how much fun you can have with an actual airsoft gun, because no matter what ammo you choose, the range is going to be poor and the accuracy is likely to also be less than ideal. They are the kind of thing you give to 9 year olds to mess about with, because even if they don't listen and do something unsafe, like not wearing eyepro/shooting at someone who isn't/shooting in a direction whereby misses end up in the neighbours' garden/etc, the chances of blindness being the end result are much much less.

For a cheap springer, I would recommend an imitation shotgun: something like this if you're skint/young - ignore the mini-paintballs, because they have a poor rep for splitting inside the gun, and get a pot of 5000 .12's and you'll be just about able to hit a man sized target @40m / @20m in still air you could have A4 sized target shooting competitions, but i'm pretty sure that you can get two tone Franchi SAS shotguns without paying patrolbase.co.uk to actually paint the two tone on and they are good enough to skirmish with. Another good make which is cheap is the Double Eagle M56 range (everything else DE make is shit, but their shotties are OK) but i'm pretty sure you'd have to get them from bbguns4less for two tone (they are not as bad as justbbguns whom you just cannot defame enough to actually be slandering/libelling them).

BTW, how old are you?

 

[Trisnpod]

I'm 14, 15 in November. My brothers my twin brother

 

[Ian_Gere]

I'm 14, 15 in November. My brothers my twin brother

Well, as you probably know, you'll have to get an 18+ to buy any BB gun for you, but with your parent/s' permission you could try airsoft at many sites: 14+ is the usual cut-off age for UKARA registered sites' insurance. So you could rent a decent-ish gun and face mask plus, at some sites, some form of camo gear, and get stuck in to way more fun than you can have with an underpowered plinker in your backgaredn...

Of course some people feel the need to serve a couple of tours in the Back Garedn for the props... war is hell, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

[it's a long running in joke on here, into which you are privileged to be inculcated ]

 

[Trisnpod]

Ok I think I'll get a cheap pistol to use with my brother (this is basically just an upgrade from a nerf gun), and I'll get a shotgun to use for skirmishes. I have a friend who does airsoft at delta force strines which is pretty nearby for me so ill be able to tag along with him.

These are the shotguns I'm deciding between: https://www.justbbguns.co.uk/product/517/2-TONE-BB-GUNS/339/PUMP-SHOTGUNS/2650/MOSSBERG-500-AIRSOFT-SHOTGUN

And https://www.justbbguns.co.uk/product/517/2-TONE-BB-GUNS/339/PUMP-SHOTGUNS/656/STINGER-S32P-BB-PUMP-SHOTGUN

I think current winner is the first one.

Preferably I would just get a shotgun to use for both back garden and skirmishes, but when I told my brother it was 350fps and has reviews saying 'it really hurts when you get shot' he said he couldn't understand why anyone would want something like that.

Lol

 

[djben9]

mmmmm.......don't let sittingduck see you on that site!

messing around in the garden, kids toy really , just protect your face and eyes no matter what!!

 

[Ian_Gere]

Well, fortunately for you (to save you from your instinct for a bargain which jbbg prey upon), Trisnpod, those Mossbergs are out of stock {OOS for future reference {FFR}} @jbbg. Trust us. We are not running a vendetta against jbbg for some imagined or real slight in the past, we are not running a vendetta at all, but warning you/anyone reading this because there are countless threads on here started by noobs who have all 1) heard about airsoft 2) googled it 3) found jbbg 4) bought a piece of shit {POS FFR} 5) tried to get a refund/replacement/repair 6) been simply ignored or lied to and finally 7) found us...

7a) we very often end up having to advise youngsters that whilst all airsoft guns are BB guns, not all BB guns are airsoft guns, regardless of what colour they are, or what FPS &/or range sites like jbbg quote. In this case there are some cheaper springer shotguns, both single and triple shot, which are skirmishable (in woodland most, but not all by any means, of them make for a challenging primary weapon and are thus often carried in over-the-shoulder holsters as secondaries, but they are fine for use @CQB sites {Close Quarter Battle = usually Urban}; indeed some people like to use a POS as a challenging primary @CQB to inflict more humiliation on their targets, but better learn some gun/tac skillz before you try that or you'll just get pwned all day long without even a hope of getting your own back), however AFAIK those 2 you picked out are not suitable beginners' primary weapons...

350/55FPS my arse - a cheap springer with a barrel that short will be lucky to produce over 300FPS if it is expected to work for more than about 5 shots, because the guts of them are made from plastic and zinc alloy {AKA pot metal/monkey metal/cheese}. Note that it says "JBBG TESTED" - well, we don't know for sure that they do not have a special high reading chronograph which they keep specifically for these tests, but what we do know is that if you fired one of our primary weapons which we know, from experience chronoing at various sites, shoots at, say, about 345FPS, those shotties would measure @least 45 less. BTW Crosman mainly make air pistols, which are a whole different kettle of fish to airsoft guns, and their POS BB guns are just a way of cashing in off people who don't know any better; Cybergun on the other hand don't make anything, they just put their label on other manufacturers' products to market them in countries where the original manufacturer has no distribution - i'm not 100% certain but i think that plastic Mossberg 500 design is made by Palco, who make a whole range of P'sOS all of which should be avoided apart from their CO2 powered pistols which, although very cheap, are surprisingly good.

As I said above, if you go for a cheap shottie, get either one of the Double Eagle M56 range (which fire 3 BB's per shot & are clones of a very successful Tokyo Marui design), or one of their M58 range which fire 1 BB per shot (I can't personally vouch for their M47 range, but others on here may be able to); or an ASG Franchi SAS which also come in either 3 or 1 BB/shot versions.

Is cash a major issue for you? If so, how much is your budget?

 

[Trisnpod]

Thanks for that reply. I used to make quite a bit selling sweets at school, but I got snitched on so now i don't really have much to spend anymore. I'm happy to spend around £10-15 at the most £20. Looks like I'm going to have to start selling again, but this this time be a bit more discreet.

Unfortunately my brother's decided he won't get a BB gun and I can't change his mind so I've got a friend along with it instead.

 

[Ian_Gere]

Yeah, well sadly we also often have to advise youngsters that there is a minimum spend to get a decent gun - it's about £120 for an AEG, £35 for a non blowback {NBB} pistol, £65 for a gas blow back {GBB} pistol, and about £35-40 for a springer shottie. You will be much better to save up than bother with the kind of crap you can get for less than that. It seems that parents are often less than enthusiastic about their offspring getting into anything which, in their minds, involves guns. My advice is to put it to them like this: going airsofting at a UKARA registered site, where there are marshals who insist on the correct use of proper eye protection, and face protection for u16, where no members of the general public can be accidentally peppered with BB's or frightened by the sight of what looks like a bunch of terrorists with machine guns, is not only much safer than backgaredn plinking, but also a lot more fun...