Selling rifs

[Tommikka]

You don't need ukara to buy or sell second hand rif's as a private person and proves nothing overall. Good/bad intentions can't be measured by a number. I wouldn't sell a RIF to an underaged kid but that's a different story altogether.

Legally how would any of us would be responsible for someone else's action? This ever happened actually or we're just making up stories here for silly arguments?

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A private seller has the same liability as a retailer under the VCRA

Liability for a subsequent criminal act lays with the criminal conducting the act and there are prosecutions for these

I am unaware of any VCRA sale prosecutions, but they carry maximum sentencing of 51 weeks and/or a level 5 fine.
(Level 5 in Scotland is capped at £5000, but in England that has been uncapped to an unlimited fine

(Even though the original industry representation did propose a licence based on the same game count of the UKARA membership number none of this is explicit in the Airsoft statutory instrument - only the intent to play Airsoft skirmishing at an insured site)

So the seller has no obligation to validate UKARA membership
Only to be able to reasonably establish a VCRA defence of Airsoft, museum, reenactment, theatrical, crown servant

You could ask about UKARA and just believe the buyer (that would just depend on the court deciding that’s reasonable - the lack of an online validation could support just believing)
A Facebook profile or forum membership could do the job
Or as per a mention up above just asking for a statement could be valid - there was a retailer that did the same thing with a VCRA defence tick box


It’s highly unlikely for a private seller to need up in court for a VCRA sale charge, but a very simple question or look at a posting history would be an instant defence to a criminal record and also weed out some of the high risk chav sales

 

[Enid_Puceflange]

I’ve bought n sold a few RIF’s on here, I’ve never bothered to ask for a defence, as I normally check …
1. The members activity on here
2. Check their posts, and see if they have other rifs (pics posted)
And If the member somewhat frequently posts or contributes to the forums, I feel it’s a pretty safe bet that if they were gonna do something nefarious, they already have a couple of RIF’s to be getting on with the job.

Likewise, I’ve never been asked for a defence
But if I did spot something I wanted to purchase, it wouldn’t put me off if they asked.

But back to the OP’s original question
I think the TM just isn’t as “sexy” as some of the other manufacturers replicas that are out now, despite its excellent performance, we are all Gear Tarts, that like a bit of show from our pew pews

 

[Tommikka]

I'm not entirely familiar with the legislation but I'm sure you need a firearms license(or similar) for an air rifle in Scotland, careful what you wish for.

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You do in Scotland for air guns.

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Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015

An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the licensing and regulation of air weapons; to amend the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005; to amend and extend the licensing provisions of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982; and for connected purposes.

www.legislation.gov.uk

The Scottish legislation requires either an air weapon certicate or potential cover under a shotgun certificate. It also applies to temporary certificates when visiting Scotland (not surprising if you think about it that you can’t bring a firearm in and say you’re just visiting )

This legislation ‘should’ not impact on Airsoft or paintball based on questions raised at the time, but the legislation does not explicitly exclude them.



Airsoft may be able to claim legislative exemption as air weapons are defined in the Firearms act and would fall into “low power air weapons”
The Scottish act cross references the firearms act for “lethal barreled” which would require a true licence or be prohibited, and could be interpreted to carry over the (compliant) airsoft exemption

Paintball sits amongst numerous definitions across legislation so it remains with the good relationship between the Home Office and UKPSF
Airsoft might be protected in Scotland with the firearms act cross referencing and exemption

But a reliance on general statements of non intent to be covered, but not explicitly exempted may not encourage the market when a Scot doesn’t want to apply for a certificate or understand whether or not it would apply

 

[emilianoksa]

Thanks for all the replies.

You are right about the brutal wording of my insistence on UKARA. It was stupid of me and I apologise for its offensive tone.

I have been a member of this forum for many years and have sold dozens of rifs through the Classified section. I just got tired of many buyers giving me UKARA details they knew perfectly well were no longer valid and putting me to the trouble of getting verification. I lost my temper at some point and included the bit about wasting my time. I have never done it on any previous post, and I will not do it again. In fact there will be no more adverts from me, as most of my guns have gone and age and injuries prevent me from ever skirmishing again. My own UKARA has lapsed and I have accepted that I will be buying no more rifs.

I think the VCR Act is one of the most stupid pieces of legislation our idiot politicians have ever come up with, but I am not prepared to risk putting myself on the wrong side of it for a hundred quid. I know the risk is tiny but for the sake of £100 I want no risk at all. I am the sort of person who worries a lot about things others wouldn't waste their time even thinking about. It is just the way I am.

As for hi capas in general, I know they are not the sexiest of pistols, but the TM ones at least are probably the most reliable pistols on the market. They are the easiest to work on or get parts for, and the mechanics are so simple that you would really have to work hard to ruin them with the addition of custom parts. Glocks are pretty good and I've had a few over the years, but just about any other metal pistols, including those lovely looking guns made by VFC are not a good investmenft imo. The alternative is to buy TM plastic guns and keep them stock.

When I still skirmished I only went to indoor cqb sites. Looking back all the rifles I had were more of a hindrance than any thing else. A hi capa and two or three spare mags are all you really need for cqb games.

 

[Cannonfodder]

You are right about the brutal wording of my insistence on UKARA. It was stupid of me and I apologise for its offensive tone.

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Having just looked at the ad I see nothing to apologise for. To me it came across as short and to the point, if anyone finds it offensive that's their problem and need to grow a thicker skin. As a seller it's your choice what defences you'll accept