When it comes to new RIFs or accessories/parts is the second hand market an indicator if it’s any good

[Cannonfodder]

That site owner sounds like a massive cunt with insecurities he needs to get over. Site owners don't have to be best mates with everyone of their customers but to openly slag them off to other customers is just wrong. I'd be looking at playing elsewhere.

Over the past few years those with more extreme political views have become more confident in sharing those views with anyone within ear shot. This goes for life in general, not just airsoft.

When it comes to allowing certain loadouts this is a tricky one. While I'm not a fan of banning things to prevent hurt feelings I can understand why some people might be unhappy with some loadouts. I'd also question the motives of anyone deliberately wearing a controversial loadout as in my experience they're only doing it for a reaction

 

[Austeyr]

I'd also question the motives of anyone deliberately wearing a controversial loadout as in my experience they're only doing it for a reaction

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Obviously everybody is different but as somebody who has many a time wore a “controversial loadout” it hasn’t been to get a reaction.

A vast majority of my younger airsofting days I could be found attending walk on skirmishes with a WW2 Heer impression kit (Always asked site owners before attending in it of course). It was my reenactment kit and I had the airsoft pews to match, the vast majority of people showed curiosity and interest. Obviously some people had issue but that’s life.

Nowadays (And for the past sort of 5/6 years) I’ve primarily ran modern RUSFOR kits and again that wasn’t for a reaction - I like the weapons and the kit. Obviously during the “special military operation” I was hesitant to wear it but most people have again not had an issue.

That’s not to say that people don’t wear WW2 Jerry kit for the wrong reasons but you’ll also find modern day Nazis in multicam too

 

[Cannonfodder]

Don't get me wrong a well put together German ww2 loadout can look great, my comment about wanting a reaction was about those would would deliberately choose to portray waffen ss over a regular army unit

 

[Anonymoose]

Obviously some people had issue but that’s life.

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Yeah but it was that time you were dressed as Amon Göth and started shooting people in the safe zone that really caused problems.

 

[Austeyr]

Yeah but it was that time you were dressed as Amon Göth and started shooting people in the safe zone that really caused problems.

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Shouldn't have tried to leave the site early...

 

[Lyndication]

The second hand market is a funny one for sure. Sometimes you'll see something that really ought to sell for more struggle for ages then go for almost nothing. Then you get stuff that's kinda crap sell for a weirdly high price because it's "gucci".

That said the whole market is generally harder than it's been for a few years from the selling perspective. A lot of people are selling which increases supply, and demand is limited because money is tight right now. The same force that increases supply lowers demand, basically. So now RIFs especially as ultimately expensive toy purchases just go for way cheaper.

I have a bunch of stuff I know I'll never get anywhere near my money back on. My VFC AK has had some weathering work done including some fun heat bluing and a custom Mosin Nagant handguard. It's an - in my opinion - excellent replica of the Kalash from Metro Last Light, one of my favourite games of all time. The number of people who like MLL enough to get that is tiny, and the quantity of them who would pay "what it's worth" to have it is even lower. So it would sell way below what it's worth.

Luckily, I don't have to sell up my toys just yet, and generally just have some stuff that I buy, try, and sell off if I don't like it much. I'm happy to wait for good deals, for example I got a TM PX4 with 3 mags for £30 last month. Lovely pistol, it just had a shagged slide, missing rear sight, missing right side safety, and broken trigger bar. After fixing the safety and trigger I was still only in for ~£55-60. The slide and rear sight will be replaced by a nice aftermarket kit I was planning to get either way.

It's a tricky one buying Boneyard in particular because you're gambling that you know more than the seller about how to fix it. People rarely meaningfully discount a Boneyard gun and when they do you really have to know what the worst case scenario could be. Luckily this one was simple, and I could afford to lose £30. (I could've sold the mags for at least that anyway).

 

[Galvatron]

It's a tricky one buying Boneyard in particular because you're gambling that you know more than the seller about how to fix it. People rarely meaningfully discount a Boneyard gun and when they do you really have to know what the worst case scenario could be. Luckily this one was simple, and I could afford to lose £30. (I could've sold the mags for at least that anyway).

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Exactly this!

The leverage to charge X amount for a boneyard gun comes from knowing what the fault is because you can determine how much it will cost to fix. I find it laughable how people want 50-60% of retail for a boneyard gun with unknown faults and that old chestnut of "It should be an easy fix".

I get that people have spent a lot of money on the gun in the first place and that they want to see a return but airsoft guns are no different to most other items you'd spent a lot of money on but they don't work properly for whatever reason.

 

[Lyndication]

Yeah it often ends up not being worth it at all. I only really go if it's dirt cheap or is a known issue that I can fix. I stick to certain brands of GBBs for that reason.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Yeah it often ends up not being worth it at all. I only really go if it's dirt cheap or is a known issue that I can fix. I stick to certain brands of GBBs for that reason.

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It depends on how much you know of the teching arts.

One of the plus sides to getting comfortable with pew tinkering is being able to assume the worst in a secondhand trade.

That way you can buy purely on the externals visible in the ad knowing you've no issue rectifying whatever horror show is going on inside it, and for sure there can be superficially decent gats that even shoot that have just the worst internals you could imagine.

That said, not everything for sale is so bad, my horror story list features exclusively gats i've seen in-person before buying and none of the gats i've bought from these forums which have all functioned exactly as advertised.

We must remember of course that brand new isnt a panacea, fps reductions can often mean "throw whatever clicky-pen spring you found in the box o' bits in there and call it good" or have really shoddy work like drilling holes to make a massive air leak. In both cases you can end up with something that's going to eat a piston in half an hour or fail to hit the broadside of a barn from inside said barn. And ofc if you bought from a place that did that to begin with the "warranty" repair is unlikely to be any better than the brand new condition.

 

[Punisher3990]

There is definitely snobbery in things like loadouts, RIFs and the playing style. I'd been on the receiving end of it as a P90 user as people looked down on it with unsolicited put-downs.

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I have also experienced both sides in regards to my P90. I have been complimented but also been ripped on for it. I don't care much as I am there to have fun for myself not to please others and the people ripping on it, I just told them they wouldn't use it because it actually takes some skill and walked off lol (mic drop)

 

[Lozart]

I have also experienced both sides in regards to my P90. I have been complimented but also been ripped on for it. I don't care much as I am there to have fun for myself not to please others and the people ripping on it, I just told them they wouldn't use it because it actually takes some skill and walked off lol (mic drop)

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Not only do I have a P90, it's a Novritsch P90. Double the fun.

Of course, it being light, accurate and outranging half the other guns on the day is neither here nor there when it comes to safe-zone bragging rights...

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I have also experienced both sides in regards to my P90. I have been complimented but also been ripped on for it. I don't care much as I am there to have fun for myself not to please others and the people ripping on it, I just told them they wouldn't use it because it actually takes some skill and walked off lol (mic drop)

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what are they ripping on the p90 for?

best i can come up with is the usual bullpup trigger pull argument and i guess a bit more limited options for some parts.

 

[Punisher3990]

Not only do I have a P90, it's a Novritsch P90. Double the fun.

Of course, it being light, accurate and outranging half the other guns on the day is neither here nor there when it comes to safe-zone bragging rights...

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Part of me wishes I got a Nov P90 solely for the QD sling points lol. I could probs drill my Cybergun case and add QD points, but I don't like doing that if I don't have to.

I have a decent sling mount as is, which works well, but damn, I do prefer QDs on SMGs lol

I get comments about wearing Novritsch gear all the time, but I like the Kreuzotter camo; it matches my game site perfectly. Same reason I have Pencott camo items: I like the camo, and it's handy.

I understand why some people dislike him, but some of his gear is pretty good, granted some is overpriced and rebranded stuff, but other bits are great, like the clothing. I'd also argue he has the best P90 mag pouches.

 

[Punisher3990]

what are they ripping on the p90 for?

best i can come up with is the usual bullpup trigger pull argument and i guess a bit more limited options for some parts.

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Mainly that it looks stupid or weird. Granted, the looks of it are a bit like Marmite; you either love it or hate it but I grew up watching stargate lol

 

[Lyndication]

I wish the WE P90 GBBR was much better, I'd love to run one.

 

[Lozart]

I grew up watching stargate lol

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Good lad!

 

[Galvatron]

best i can come up with is the usual bullpup trigger pull argument and i guess a bit more limited options for some parts.

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Even then, the trigger pull argument falls apart when P90 opponents talk from the other side of their mouth singing the praises of the AUG or the FAMAS as they both have the trigger pull issues. The argument falls apart entirely with the spec of the P90 AEG as you can get mosfets that bypass the trigger bar entirely so the trigger pull argument becomes nothing more than a crutch used to "legitimise" their personal dislike of the gun.

 

[Punisher3990]

Even then, the trigger pull argument falls apart when P90 opponents talk from the other side of their mouth singing the praises of the AUG or the FAMAS as they both have the trigger pull issues. The argument falls apart entirely with the spec of the P90 AEG as you can get mosfets that bypass the trigger bar entirely so the trigger pull argument becomes nothing more than a crutch used to "legitimise" their personal dislike of the gun.

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The Perun for my P90 was probs the best Upgrade I have bought. Most upgrades increase stuff a little, but a Perun on the P90 is like a whole different gun.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Mainly that it looks stupid or weird. Granted, the looks of it are a bit like Marmite; you either love it or hate it but I grew up watching stargate lol

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weird yes, but in an iconic way is how i'd describe it.

going to go out on a limb and wager that the majority of people saying this are running [generic ar], which tbf isn't that much of a limb given how most people run [generic ar].....

Even then, the trigger pull argument falls apart when P90 opponents talk from the other side of their mouth singing the praises of the AUG or the FAMAS as they both have the trigger pull issues. The argument falls apart entirely with the spec of the P90 AEG as you can get mosfets that bypass the trigger bar entirely so the trigger pull argument becomes nothing more than a crutch used to "legitimise" their personal dislike of the gun.

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i think it's just me not getting on with plunger triggers primarily, but i'll concede that it's very much a personal preference thing that bothers me more than others.

admittedly i've not had much trigger time on the p90, mostly it's bigger even more strange looking brother and the trigger on that is truly ass even after you've dialled it in.

 

[ButcherBill]

A P90 rocks, dunno why anyone would look down on it. I prefer the early styling of the P90 but currently have a P90TR, Watched a YT video of the EMG Strike Industries P90 yesterday but must admit I'm not keen on the styling.

View: https://youtu.be/_DTe5F7weJc?si=MR00BHix71RnjjX7

I have enough mags & pouches for my Double Bell but have never fielded it, I really should use it one day.
Even got a chinesium SG1 style sling for it too (would love one for my FN2000 but the only source I could find was in the USA & they were legally stopped from posting one & I got my money back).