So - Does This Count as a RIF? Trigger Warning: Contains Speedsoft

[Skara]

Shit I'd rock that!

Missing a huge blade trigger though

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Let's not forget that people have been shot and killed by armed response units for carrying a chair leg before now...

Or looking vaguely like someone else.

 

[jsmithski]

Or looking vaguely like someone else.

The world goes mad, matter of years and you will need a license for a kitchen knife. I don’t want to point fingers but most ridiculous ideas and rules are coming from countries that rule(d) the EU.

 

[RonLancs]

Why does the image make me angry? No, not angry, just disappointed..

 

[Tommikka]

Just a bit of a rant

It grated with me that Protek are calling the Atom a profession 'marker' for SpeedSoft, @Druid799 can be forgiven for referring to paint markers, but that still grates and people keep posting on the thread waving these blatent 'marker' words in my face.

'Marker' has its origin in forestry and farming when airgun technology was brought in to shoot balls of paint.  A collaboration between the  Nelson Paint company and Crossman.

These genuinely were designed to mark with permanent oil based paint, but were not markers - they were 'paint marking pistols', later there were mostly 'paint guns' and occasionaly 'paint marking guns'

Nelsons first paintball pistol wasn't a 'marking pistol' or a 'marker' but the 'Nelspot 707 pellet pistol' and its oil based paintballs were 'marking pellets' (In the example below  'use with 007 gun' referring to another Nelspot 007 model 'gun' not 'marker')

http://www.pettypb.com/707/707instructions.pdf

The second paintball gun still wasn't a marker but was the 'Daisy SplotchMaker'. (Maker not marker)

Only when the game begins to establish itself for franchising do we get the Survival Game company producing the first gun dedicated to the game for 'mass' production do we get the 'Survival Game Splatmaster marking pistol'

As time progressed non-oil based paintballs were produced, so that they no longer permanently marked your clothing (or required you to wash stains with petrol)

'Marker' came in the late 80's and 90s as part of a drive away from Rambo southern hicks and to curry favour with TV and advertising (Including televising a tournament at Disney World)

It is entirely a Politically Correct term, which only pays lip service to being politically correct with guns ho team names.

In airsoft how can the Atom be a marker other than a close up BB Chipping the finish on someones mesh grill?

End of rant

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[Druid799]

Just a bit of a rant

It grated with me that Protek are calling the Atom a profession 'marker' for SpeedSoft, @Druid799 can be forgiven for referring to paint markers, but that still grates and people keep posting on the thread waving these blatent 'marker' words in my face.

But one could equally say just because a gimp suit is made of rubber does not mean it’s a divers wet suit either ? ?

Or looking vaguely like someone else.

Or even not even looking like someone else in the slightest ? ?

saying that I wouldn’t want to be armed police , at least in the army slotting the target was actually the first option not the last ? 

 

[BobaTheFett]

Splat master Jesus that’s a blast from the past,...
 

as a retired paint baller current airsofter I have one thing to say about this new platform and that is simply NOPE!,..

what is this abomination? I I wanted to be a soda stream ghost buster I’d still be playing paintball,...

 

[Adolf Hamster]

what is this abomination? I I wanted to be a soda stream ghost buster I’d still be playing paintball,...

i can only assume it's for people who want to play paintball, but don't like the pain.

for me part of airsoft is the fact we can dress up and have realistic looking gnu's, otherwise i would just play paintball.

 

[BobaTheFett]

The worst part is my aging brain can vaguely work out what that is based on but can’t for the life of me remember what it was called,.. the electro spider,.. or some dodgy impulse clone

 

[Adolf Hamster]

The worst part is my aging brain can vaguely work out what that is based on but can’t for the life of me remember what it was called,.. the electro spider,.. or some dodgy impulse clone

looks to me like a karcher handle fitted with an m4 mag

 

[Tommikka]

To me it does still look like a copy of a paintball gun rather than normal airsoft as a copy of a real steel gun

The only beneficial element rather than a speedsofter limiting down with lighter cut outs etc, is the curved based fibre wrap style cylinder in their shadowy teaser video 

With the curved base you roll it in your shoulder and with the offset of a ‘stock’ from under the grip frame you can hold the gun in front of your face for line of sight aiming

(even in front of your face as your eyes look past each side - keep both eyes open and your brain combines the view from each eye giving a level of X-ray vision ‘through’ the gun and its barrel

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[JackHG]

anyone else think the thing is just an AAP-01 with some nerf like plastic body? 

 

[Skara]

(even in front of your face as your eyes look past each side - keep both eyes open and your brain combines the view from each eye giving a level of X-ray vision ‘through’ the gun and its barrel

'tis called Bindon aiming concept.

But anyway, there is a company who makes pistol grip bottle adapters for M4s with I believe integrated regulators, Eurotactics IIRC.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

'tis called Bindon aiming concept.

i thought it was just Doom aiming

 

[Tommikka]

'tis called Bindon aiming concept.

But anyway, there is a company who makes pistol grip bottle adapters for M4s with I believe integrated regulators, Eurotactics IIRC.

Strictly speaking ‘Bindon aiming concept’ is the trademarked name by an optics company.

Open or closed eye aiming has been around for much longer, and the optical illusion has been entertaining people for centuries, the same as the sausage effect when holding your fingers up

There is also the other method with a pistol etc where you may be more ‘accurate’ shooting from the hip one handed due to natural pointing abilities 

 

[Skara]

There is also the other method with a pistol etc where you may be more ‘accurate’ shooting from the hip one handed due to natural pointing abilities

Yeah some call it natural point of aim or something.

Not that it matters much in airsoft anyway, but it's nice to learn a bit more about the human mechanics in shooting.

I think one method involves your index finger, basically wherever you're pointing at with your finger, the bullet's gonna go.

Can't remember where I read about it though.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Yeah some call it natural point of aim or something.

Not that it matters much in airsoft anyway, but it's nice to learn a bit more about the human mechanics in shooting.

I think one method involves your index finger, basically wherever you're pointing at with your finger, the bullet's gonna go.

Can't remember where I read about it though.

isn't that the argument for using the middle finger on the trigger? as-in literal point and shoot.

i did find it interesting when i first started using the makarov how much i went full sean connery with the low-down one handed hip firing.

but tbh i've never put as much thought into particular "stances" when shooting, it's a case of get behind the gun, get the sights on target and shoot.

of course that has led to me remaining stubbornly incapable of shooting left-handed/swapping sides gracefully, but i just work round it (mostly by getting someone else to take left hand corners)

 

[Tommikka]

isn't that the argument for using the middle finger on the trigger? as-in literal point and shoot.

Use of the middle finger as a trigger finger, allowing the index finger to ‘point’ along the body might work.

But doing that with a two handed gun breaks up natural pointing 

(Or at least it does for me)

I can use my index finger as the trigger finger on a pistol and accurately point the barrel.  So I’m maintaining the ‘pointing’ of the hand without literally pointing 

But shift that a fraction to hold with both hands and I’ve shifted my aim slightly. I might hit first time because I’m shooting at a big enough object, or fire another shot once I’ve seen the miss and adjust 

of course that has led to me remaining stubbornly incapable of shooting left-handed/swapping sides gracefully, but i just work round it (mostly by getting some else to take left hand corners)

Being able to swap hands was something I used to practice, then I got lazy as it’s easy to get away with it in the woods.

Just adjust position, expose a little more, don’t bother or swap hands and see the balls sway around in every direction 

Going up with the tournament guys as a photographer and joining training sessions ironed out bad habits as well as learning new skills and I gained the ability to hit a barn door first time, then be able to hit a traffic cone etc 

However on one of my few actual tournament appearances I was either last man standing or among the last two.

I was highly abused for failing to switch hands, but instead I swayed left and right behind a bunker, flipping my gun upside down to shoot the left side.

”You can’t shoot upside down, hoppers can’t feed upwards”

Well clearly they can with a force feed hopper (though only for a handfull Of shots while there is something in the stack) which was just enough for me to get away with it and stop anyone from moving forward at me

I didn’t win anything, but didn’t lose, thus holding the point rather than losing or winning

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Use of the middle finger as a trigger finger, allowing the index finger to ‘point’ along the body might work.

But doing that with a two handed gun breaks up natural pointing 

(Or at least it does for me)

I can use my index finger as the trigger finger on a pistol and accurately point the barrel.  So I’m maintaining the ‘pointing’ of the hand without literally pointing 

But shift that a fraction to hold with both hands and I’ve shifted my aim slightly. I might hit first time because I’m shooting at a big enough object, or fire another shot once I’ve seen the miss and adjust 

funny i'd have said the opposite.

on a rifle having 2 fingers on the grip is much less of an impact to holding the thing steady than a pistol, for example a really small pistol like a colt 25 feels kind of awkward to shoot because you can't get a solid grip with your pinkie.

each to their own though, i mean i refuse to c-clamp an m4 but i naturally c-clamp an ak because of reasons i'm not entirely sure about.

Being able to swap hands was something I used to practice, then I got lazy as it’s easy to get away with it in the woods.

Just adjust position, expose a little more, don’t bother or swap hands and see the balls sway around in every direction 

yeah i'm a hedgelurker at heart so often it's very easy to get away with it, especially when you mostly play either the range game or the sneak game, neither of which require massive snap-shooting abilities.

 

[Tommikka]

funny i'd have said the opposite.

on a rifle having 2 fingers on the grip is much less of an impact to holding the thing steady than a pistol, for example a really small pistol like a colt 25 feels kind of awkward to shoot because you can't get a solid grip with your pinkie.

each to their own though, i mean i refuse to c-clamp an m4 but i naturally c-clamp an ak because of reasons i'm not entirely sure about.

There is a definate element of what feels right to an individual

For anything more than a pistol I need to got for two hands, steadiness beating the natural single hand pointing, and practice ‘knowing’ where it will probably go

With a pistol my pointing is more ‘accurate’ if I lift and shoot, if I wait around then I probably lose that initial pointing to waving around or my eyes trying to tell my brain they know where to point

Im big handed, so a small gripped gun won’t work for me, and often something too light just won’t point in the right place, I need to get the ‘feel’ of how much lift I’m putting in