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Hi, new member here.
My 15 year old son went to airport last weekend and is hooked on it.

We’re now looking at what guns to get, we would like a hand gun and assault rifle.

Not sure if battery or gas is better.

Bidget is roughly £200 for the pair ideally.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, even if some of the pros are selling off some gear.
We’re based in Reading.

Thanks in advance 

 
Hi and welcome.

You will soon have plenty of answers from the guys on here,they are very knowledgeable.

Which airport did you go to?? ??

Regards 

 
Welcome Aaron and son.

Do a search here for 'best gun',  'choosing a gun' or 'what gun?'

You'll get loads of info.

But I can tell you that £200 will not be enough for all the gear for both of you.

Don't bother with pistols to start.

Rent for the first three games to get registered so you can get a Realistic Imitation Firearm  (RIF) without having it painted.

 
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Aaronmaslen said:
We’re now looking at what guns to get, we would like a hand gun and assault rifle.

Not sure if battery or gas is better.

Bidget is roughly £200 for the pair ideally.
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Naysayers say nay, but I say it can be done.  Just barely.

Army Armament R17. https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/army-armament-r17-gbb-v3-pistol-in-blue.html in two-tone blue, or https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/army-armament-r17-b-gbb-v3-pistol-in-tan-and-black.html in awesome beige if you have a defence.  Put it in your basket, then wait 24 hours.  You'll get a 7% discount code, taking them down to £65.81 or £55.80 delivered, with one magazine and no gas.  Don't buy anything else from that site, unless you know exactly what you want and why you want it!

Then a CYMA M4 for £80 plus postage https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/cyma-cm-513-m4-ris-suppressed?pv=2610

Or an AK for £90 plus postage https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/cyma-cm520-ak47-tactical-w-solid-stock?pv=3197

(Or whatever other CYMA you fancy within your budget).

They come with a hi-cap mag and a basic battery and burn-your-house-down charger.

There's enough left over to buy two-toning, more magazines, gas, BBs and batteries (you'll want to go lipo ASAP, don't sink more money into nimh).

You can chisel a few £££ by looking at the likes of TaiwanGun or Gunfire, but you'll need to factor in postage, 2-tone, whether you can provide a defence, shipping time and getting them powered down under 350fps.

And of course you need to budget for eye and face protection, but I'm taking your £200 budget for two guns at face value.

These aren't the best guns out there, but they do actually work.  The BBs don't care how much you paid, and the people you hit with them won't know.

You can pay more for guns that feel nicer and have crisper triggers, better response, higher ROF and slightly better consistency and accuracy.  If you stick with airsoft, you might wish you'd waited a bit and paid more, rather than paying twice.  There is quite a big difference in the way a low and and a high end gun feel and respond when you pull the trigger.  However, if you hit your target, they won't know how long it took for the motor to spin up or whether the gearbox sounds like a bag of spanners.

You can get going and have fun within that budget, and I'd hate for you to be put off getting into airsoft because you think it needs a £500 investment up front.

And now back to our scheduled "u git wut u pay 4". ;)

 
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Yeah, it can be done if you scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Then you'll end up trying to sell them all to get better ones but you'll lose lots of money because painted guns don't sell well.

So you'll end up paying more than you would have done if you'd done the 3 games and had more time to choose wisely... ?

Renting for three games also gives you time to decide what kind of weapon you want to use, M4, AK, long, short etc.

You may find that a pistol is not needed straight away and the money can be used on a better rifle.

 
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Despite everything I've just said, I'm not recommending it as a course of action.  The moment you try something snappy like a Scorpion Evo, you're not going to want an unmodified cheap plastic CYMA.

So I agree, rent first, and if possible beg a go on a range of guns (don't lick them) and see whether you want to pay more for something nicer.

If you do cheap out rather than waiting (heck, I did) then I'd recommend not touching anything better quality until you have the money put aside to buy it.  If you then upgrade, well, you'll have the cheap starter guns available as backups or loaners.

The big thing I'd echo is that you don't need a pistol, particularly not in woodland.  If you're playing CQB, you can run nothing but a pistol, but outdoors a GBB is more about the tacticool factor rather than effectiveness.

 
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£200 will get you a decent primary plus all the gubbins you need with it - Spare batteries, battery charger, extra mags, maybe a red dot sight and a bag to put it all in.

Ask Santa for a pistol.

 
I'm with the others.

Rent first, try various guns and don't be afraid to ask people at the field to let you hold their gats, explain them they you're both starting out, ask for advice too!

Also, try to play at different sites (say one woodland, one cqb and possibly one mixed) so you both get an idea of what's it like to be in different environments.

No point in buying an M16 if all you do is fast paced CQB, the same applies to buying just a pistol and then only play outdoors (not that these two scenarios are unfeasible, they're totally doable if you know what you're doing but, as with all things, you may want the right tool for the job).

Just please don't get sucked into the "wat am bset apgreids" endless pit that new players seem so keen on diving head first into.

Get the gun (once you've rented long enough to decide what you really want and most importantly NEED), play with it, learn its strengths and weaknesses.

 
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to echo @Rogerborg's excellent post a barebones setup like this: https://www.taiwangun.com/en/electric/cm-045a-340-fps-cyma?from=listing&campaign-id=19

would fit the bill quite nicely. an aksu especially with a decent lipo battery (maybe a basic mosfet like a gate nanoasr if you're good with a soldering iron but not strictly necessary) can be a vicious little bugger both indoors and outdoors

the single included hi-cap will be enough to get going and if you want to mix it up cyma's mid cap ak magazines are reasonably priced and very reliable with good ammo.

of course that's assuming you like ak's, as the others have said doing your time renting and getting setup with a UKARA means you'll be able to get a better feel for what you might be after, airsofters love showing off their gear so getting people's opinions and inspirations isn't going to be difficult.

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The moment you try something snappy like a Scorpion Evo, you're not going to want an unmodified cheap plastic CYMA.
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maybe not plastic recievers, but you'd be amazed the snappiness of a budget ak with a gutsy battery.

if it were me i'd try and find one of jg's recoil aksu's, remove the recoil mech, add a nanoasr and 11.1v and a cheap basic red dot, oh wait i've literally just described my own gun  :P

for sure if you're going to skip anything skip the pistol, they're fun but absolutely not necessary in the slightest and £50's worth of mags is worth a hell of a lot more than the same money on a handgun.

 
The only pistol worth buying imo is a mk23.

It does not have the cool factor of blowback guns, but if I were to pick ONE true universal gun, I would definitely pick the mk23.

Stupid quiet, stupid gas efficient, runs in whatever temperature and weather you play, is dirt cheap and stupid easy to upgrade as you only need 3 (yes, three) parts which give you the ability to fling really heavy BBs at stupid distances while still being a sub 1J gun.

Now while we are on the subject of power output, in addition to my previous post:

Don't look for the highest energy output available, there is no practical difference between a 0.9J gun and a 1.13J one. According to physics you do get more range, but it's a matter of a metre at most. The downside (for your country) is that your fields all have different rules and limits, it makes no sense to me to get a gun that's right on the legal limit and then not being able to use it on say 3 out of 4 sites in your area.

 
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V3 trigger, brah.  Although I'm thinking very-CQB where milliseconds make a difference.  Bursts in woodland are fine.
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ahh y'see the secret to the v3 trigger is to not use active brake mosfets.

and i'm not convinced the whole trigger response thing for cqb is remotely as important as skill, doesnt matter how fast the gun goes off if you can't point and fire with enough speed and precision.

 
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and i'm not convinced the whole trigger response thing for cqb is remotely as important as skill, doesnt matter how fast the gun goes off if you can't point and fire with enough speed and precision.
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Given equal John Wickitude though, gas, spring or pre-cock will beat V2 which will beat V3 (on the same motor and gears).  With an MP5K or G36 in near point-blank CQB, I spend a lot of time with the trigger pre-tensioned.

Still usable, and I do want something Krinky, but I'm really not a fan of V3 triggers for semi-auto spamming or quick reaction CQB.  Probably not an issue for OP though, they do work just fine for most purposes.

 
Rogerborg said:
Given equal John Wickitude though, gas, spring or pre-cock will beat V2 which will beat V3 (on the same motor and gears).  With an MP5K or G36 in near point-blank CQB, I spend a lot of time with the trigger pre-tensioned.

Still usable, and I do want something Krinky, but I'm really not a fan of V3 triggers for semi-auto spamming or quick reaction CQB.  Probably not an issue for OP though, they do work just fine for most purposes.
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I feel like i need to lend my jg to a speedsofter to test this now.....

 
Workmate Alex did manage to lock my JG G36C up multiple times by semi-auto spamming it.

You know what you should never do to quickly clear a lock?  Shove a long Allan key up the nozzle and push hard on the piston to allow the motor to pull it the rest of the way.  Even though it works, and you might not strip your piston rack, definitely don't do it. ;)

 
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