SAVE THE AIRSOFT EXCEPTION

[typefish]

But what do we do now with the flaming torches and pitchforks???

There's still the Section 5 issue...

 

[Shizbazki]

Shizbazki you dun goofed big timey: http://www.airsoft-forums.co.uk/index.php/topic/29908-policing-and-crime-bill-2015-16/

Yep , my bad

I stand corrected! I looked at the main document but missed the amendments page (i blame that for being awake at 5am).

However i think the UKAPUs poster and webpage should have had links and references to the relevant documents and pages, even if they are difficult to read at least i would have had everything to make an informed decision.

Nonetheless we have managed to sway his Lordships opinion and that can only be a good thing for all of us.

 

[proffrink]

They have had - it's been discussed before on here.

Check their front page: http://www.ukapu.org.uk/

 

[Shizbazki]

They have had - it's been discussed before on here.

Check their front page: http://www.ukapu.org.uk/

True it was but only after i did some digging and having been refered to this:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2016-2017/0055/17055(e).pdf

The poster and main (in fact anything to do with the fight) page for the fight should have referred to the PCB and that specific link above to say, this is what the bill says, and this is his amendment

 

[n1ckh]

From a posting by airsoft action on Facebook. Turns out that Lord Shrewsbury has rescinded his amendment to airsofting as it was explained to him. If this true then our sport is safe until another numb nuts fucks up & puts the sport into jeopardy

 

[proffrink]

From a posting by airsoft action on Facebook. Turns out that Lord Shrewsbury has rescinded his amendment to airsofting as it was explained to him. If this true then our sport is safe until another numb nuts fucks up & puts the sport into jeopardy

We know - please see the posts before yours

True it was but only after i did some digging and having been refered to this:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2016-2017/0055/17055(e).pdf

The poster and main (in fact anything to do with the fight) page for the fight should have referred to the PCB and that specific link above to say, this is what the bill says, and this is his amendment

Look, I don't think it would be fair to bust your balls over such a well-natured mistake but the information was there. But don't think it's fair either to say the fault lays with UKAPU for not making it clear enough - they've done nothing but the best to make sure people stayed informed to the extent that's possible when dealing with social media. Their website is - whilst not the best thing in the world - pretty complete and at least semi-well divided up into articles.

 

[Shizbazki]

Look, I don't think it would be fair to bust your balls over such a well-natured mistake but the information was there. I don't think it's fair to say the fault lays with UKAPU for not making it clean enough - they've done nothing but the best to make sure people stayed informed to the extent that's possible when dealing with social media. Their website is - whilst not the best thing in the world - pretty complete and at least semi-well divided up into articles.

Anyways whats done is done we fought we won

I would have hated to enforce that Law anyways being that i do Airsoft, have a HPA gun all the while being as the kids would call it a "Fed", I would have had to nick and present myself to custody, now that would have been interesting :wacko:

 

[Beethoven]

Out of curiosity, I looked for information in Wiki and elsewhere on Lord Shrewsbury (or the Earl of Shrewsbury, to give him his proper title). He seems like a decent cove and the fact that he has withdrawn his amendment is much to his credit. A lesser man might have carried on regardless out of sheer obstinacy or bloodymindedness, so thank you, Lord S.

I couldn't help noticing the irony though that someone keen on shooting lethal weapons (presumably at animals) was proposing an amendment which would have placed curbs on non-lethal replicas of weapons which are specifically designed not to cause harm to anyone.

 

[proffrink]

This was a probing amendment that was meant only to get answers and not to actually end up being voted in (or so he says). House of Lords does it all of the time. He could have saved himself a lot of trouble by asking the gun lobby, being referred ultimately to UKAPU and then having it explained to him but hey.

Something tells me the holiday he'd just taken had something to do with this never being properly discussed too (see the emails shared on ZeroIn).

 

[Jason8]

Great news to wake up to. Doesn't look good for anyone who was abusive or threatening to Lord S seeing the post cat UKAPU, they've been reported to the police, and quite rightly so. I would like to think that our sport has been represented and listened to in a credible manner by the right people. So that we are seen not as crackpot types, but credible and responsible people in pursuit and support of an always potentially volatile hobby.

 

[Mos]

^ yes !

Lord S was informed of the sport, and why we have that exception, and why that exception is so important to a lot of Airsoft.

He was informed, he realised why we have it, he understands it's all good to have the exception, he withdrawed his change and that was thst.

Well done to everyone who did something

Good seeing the people get what the people want.

 

[Jason8]

I note this morning on UKAPU's Facebook page that Matt Furey-King is now saying we are still in some hot water regarding the EU laws proposal regarding airsoft. He also said yesterday that social media isn't the place to discuss legalities and there's nothing about this latest post on the actual UKAPU site itself..
I wish he'd make his mind up.

 

[Yams]

He didn't actually say that at all Jason8. Matt was making the distinction between two very different sets of legislation that had the power the screw airsoft to bits, going on to say the EU based stuff was mostly put to bed, "One (almost) down, one to go".

Far too many people thought this was just part of the same issue so when ASG did their press release a few weeks ago saying how the EU stuff had been defeated people thought anything about the Policing and Crime Bill or issues in the Lords was scaremongering as problem had been sorted....

 

[Jason8]

He did, to be fair though it was on a Facebook 'group' page. Wasn't a blog post either it was more of a reply to a particular post.

 

[sniperslucky]

All sounds like the Brit Ex talks so much BS and not enough straight talk, if it impacts airsoft and our guns then fine, if its just away of getting member to a new association then NO!. Don't do the half ass post which leads us all confused and in the dark.

We deserve more and we should stick together for our sport.

 

[jcheeseright]

Brit ex? Wtf are you on about?

The images UKAPU posted contained nothing but facts, the additional fact that a lot of people that read them lacked the political acumen to know what those facts mean isn't their fault.

 

[Sacarathe]

I'm just glad I only peddled the "he's doing it for money" line in quotes from UKAPU.