How do I mount a red dot sight to a H&K P30?

[funshooter18]

Hello all,

Really hoping someone can help me as i've searched & searched the net but can't find the answer to my question.

Can someone who is much more informed than me please advise how I fit the below red dot sight attachment to my CO2 H&K P30 model?

I'm assuming I need some sort of attachment to get the job done but I really don't know what it is?

Any help you can give me is much appreciated as i've spent all morning trying to get this attached to my gun but only experienced frustration lol. :huh: :mellow:

Here is the linls to the red dot sight I bought and the H&K P30 model I own.

Thanks very much in advance to all you knowledgable people out there!

http://www.uttings.co.uk/Product/759/10289...t-sight-hk3190/

http://www.pellpax.co.uk/acatalog/HECKLER_...stol.html#a1626

 

[Edbain]

i dont think its really worth it... i think it would ruin the look, id stick with a nice laser on that bottom rail. however, if you really want it, you are probably going to have to go to a gunsmith and get a top rail adapter made like this- http://www.aimtech-mounts.com/APM-28%20blbkgrnd.jpg. it'll be a pain in the ass though, because dont you need to open the top?

 

[funshooter18]

i dont think its really worth it... i think it would ruin the look, id stick with a nice laser on that bottom rail. however, if you really want it, you are probably going to have to go to a gunsmith and get a top rail adapter made like this- http://www.aimtech-mounts.com/APM-28%20blbkgrnd.jpg. it'll be a pain in the ass though, because dont you need to open the top?

Hello Ed, thanks very much for your response!

The woman I bought the original gun from recommended I buy that sight as it would fit the P30, what a liar she turned out to be lol. :mellow:

Yeah the gun slides open from the top to load the pellet magazine. In that case I won't bother with the red dot sight now & will keep it for when I buy another pistol.

Can you recommend me a decent lazer that would attach to my P30? I'm still new to all of this and would love a decent attachment for my weapon.

Cheers!

 

[TPI]

that's not an airsoft Pistol... from what i can see atleast...

 

[funshooter18]

that's not an airsoft Pistol... from what i can see atleast...

It's a gas gun that also fires plastic bb's though. That makes it airsoft doesn't it? If not then please close the thread, I've posted this in an incorrect forum.

 

[TPI]

it fire's metal 4.5 mm BB's that would mean your shooting to KILL us for real.

 

[funshooter18]

it fire's metal 4.5 mm BB's that would mean your shooting to KILL us for real.

That's not my intention man. I've never shot to kill anything in my life! I've owned BB guns before but this was the step up. I only use my. weapon for self defence purposes only, would never use it offensively.

 

[Richard65]

That's not my intention man. I've never shot to kill anything in my life! I've owned BB guns before but this was the step up. I only use my. weapon for self defence purposes only, would never use it offensively.

Not sure what you mean by "this was a step up" and even more what do you mean by "only use my weapon for self defence"?

The link you gave in your original post is to an airgun site and the video clearly shows that this gun is designed to fire metal bbs or metal pellets.

Airsoft guns use plastic bbs and the power of the guns is regulated by the sites. In airsoft skirmishes you have two teams shooting at each other so no way could you use this gun.

What do you plan to use the gun for?

 

[funshooter18]

Not sure what you mean by "this was a step up" and even more what do you mean by "only use my weapon for self defence"?
The link you gave in your original post is to an airgun site and the video clearly shows that this gun is designed to fire metal bbs or metal pellets.

Airsoft guns use plastic bbs and the power of the guns is regulated by the sites. In airsoft skirmishes you have two teams shooting at each other so no way could you use this gun.

What do you plan to use the gun for?

I live alone in a big city so needed something to keep at home to give me the feeling of added security. There are burglaries in my area and I do not wish to become a victim. The gun was purchased legally within UK regulations. This is what I mean by self defence, to fend off any intruders into my home. I am thr least violent person you could ever likely meet.

By a step up I am referring to power behind the BB's so I can shoot targets in my home with more force. Plastic BB's did not provide enough power for my liking so this gun was the next step up.

I now realize this was the wring forum to join. I see air soft as any pistol but guess I was wrong lol.

 

[Deva]

We'd like to help - but you'd be better of on an air gun forum. The members will likely be better informed and you'll find out what you need to know.

 

[two_zero]

As far as I know it is highly illegal to buy or own any weapons in the UK for self defense purpose.

 

[Richard65]

I live alone in a big city so needed something to keep at home to give me the feeling of added security. There are burglaries in my area and I do not wish to become a victim. The gun was purchased legally within UK regulations. This is what I mean by self defence, to fend off any intruders into my home. I am thr least violent person you could ever likely meet.
By a step up I am referring to power behind the BB's so I can shoot targets in my home with more force. Plastic BB's did not provide enough power for my liking so this gun was the next step up.

I now realize this was the wring forum to join. I see air soft as any pistol but guess I was wrong lol.

If you have a burglary then the chances are it will happen while you are out or asleep and the most likely outcome would be the loss of your gun.

If, by chance, the burgler entered while you were in and awake you would have to have the gun close at hand and loaded but even then it could put you more at risk than be an effective self-defence. What if the burgler has a real gun? Might get it out and shoot you.

It could also provoke a burgler to attack you before you have a chance to grab your gun, take off the safety and fire at him. Unless you aim for the face it may only hurt and antagonise him more. If you did hit the face and cause a serious injury you might then have to prove that you feared for your life - otherwise he might sue you!

A pepper spray is legal, effective up to about 3m and far easier to carry with you around the house.

 

[funshooter18]

As far as I know it is highly illegal to buy or own any weapons in the UK for self defense purpose.

I disagree with that comment. So what about items like kitchen knives etc. Are they all illegal to?

If you have a burglary then the chances are it will happen while you are out or asleep and the most likely outcome would be the loss of your gun.
If, by chance, the burgler entered while you were in and awake you would have to have the gun close at hand and loaded but even then it could put you more at risk than be an effective self-defence. What if the burgler has a real gun? Might get it out and shoot you.

It could also provoke a burgler to attack you before you have a chance to grab your gun, take off the safety and fire at him. Unless you aim for the face it may only hurt and antagonise him more. If you did hit the face and cause a serious injury you might then have to prove that you feared for your life - otherwise he might sue you!

A pepper spray is legal, effective up to about 3m and far easier to carry with you around the house.

I have other items available for defence, just use your imagination. The average home has hundreds of such items., dumbbells, tools etc.etc.

I will look into the pepperspray, sounds like a good self defence item however I thought that was illegal in the UK last time I checked?

We'd like to help - but you'd be better of on an air gun forum. The members will likely be better informed and you'll find out what you need to know.

Thank you that's good advice. Will look for a forum more tailored to my needs.

If you have a burglary then the chances are it will happen while you are out or asleep and the most likely outcome would be the loss of your gun.
If, by chance, the burgler entered while you were in and awake you would have to have the gun close at hand and loaded but even then it could put you more at risk than be an effective self-defence. What if the burgler has a real gun? Might get it out and shoot you.

It could also provoke a burgler to attack you before you have a chance to grab your gun, take off the safety and fire at him. Unless you aim for the face it may only hurt and antagonise him more. If you did hit the face and cause a serious injury you might then have to prove that you feared for your life - otherwise he might sue you!

A pepper spray is legal, effective up to about 3m and far easier to carry with you around the house.

Pepper spray is illegal to own in the UK. Recently the government have confirmed home owners can use reasonable force to protect there persons & property, so using/having a legally owned gas gun within legal parameters would not be an issue for the courts under this new law, no?

Pepper spray is illegal to own in the UK. Recently the government have confirmed home owners can use reasonable force to protect there persons & property, so using/having a legally owned gas gun within legal parameters would not be an issue for the courts under this new law, no?

"It is still lawful to act in reasonable self-defence, even if the intruder dies as a result. However, prosecution could result from "very excessive and gratuitous force", such as attacking someone who is unconscious. force" and grievous harm

"It will mean someone who is confronted by a burglar and has reason to fear for their safety, or the safety of their family, and in the heat of the moment uses force that is reasonable in the circumstances but in the cold light of day seems disproportionate, they will not be guilty of an offence"

So using a weapon at hand with reasonable force is no longer considered an offence in the UK. So that clears up that issue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19879314

 

[TPI]

it will more than likely be argued as either Pre Meditated murder (If you slot them a good one) or Pre Med Attempted Murder because your already preparing yourself but then i'm working of my Grandad's old Law book's so only a real Lawyer can say with final definity. but in pretty much every case any kind of Pre thought to that going down will be regarded as pre Med Unless your gonna go shoot Vermin with the land owner's permission

 

[funshooter18]

it will more than likely be argued as either Pre Meditated murder (If you slot them a good one) or Pre Med Attempted Murder because your already preparing yourself but then i'm working of my Grandad's old Law book's so only a real Lawyer can say with final definity. but in pretty much every case any kind of Pre thought to that going down will be regarded as pre Med Unless your gonna go shoot Vermin with the land owner's permission

I'm gonna seek legal advice on this as according to current law it seems reasonable force is anything to disarm an intruder/

Attacker. Still a very grey area imho.

 

[Deva]

Craig, there is plenty of things in a house which could seriously injure/kill someone. Owning them doesn't make it pre-meditated murder. Settings up traps and automatically firing weapons etc. is more what you are thinking about.

IANAL

 

[Richard65]

Devastator - I thing Craig has made a valid ppoint based on the posts from funshooter18.

Im my kitchen I have a knife block with some quite long/sharp knives but they were purchased for kitchen use - food prep etc.

Our airsoft guns were purchased for use in the sport of airsoft and although we keep gas in the TM hi-cappa magazines we do not keep them loaded with bbs.

In the case of an intruder then I might be able to grab a knife or perhaps get some bbs and start loading the pistol mag or even find a baseball bat in a cupboard. All potential items for hurting an intruder but not the reason for owning them.

funshooter18 has said "I live alone in a big city so needed something to keep at home to give me the feeling of added security. There are burglaries in my area and I do not wish to become a victim. The gun was purchased legally within UK regulations. This is what I mean by self defence, to fend off any intruders into my home."

It might be difficult to prove but buying an airgun for self defence and keeping it in the house loaded/ready to fire could indicate a degree of pre-meditation. Hopefully this is a purely acaedemic discussion and will never be put to the test.

All makes my convinced that airgun sales would benefit with some form of airsoft skirmish type of regulations rather than just face-to-face sale to anyone over 18.

 

[TPI]

That's exactly what i was about to type Richard

i'll say it again though I'm only Obtaining this Info From My Dead GrandFather's old Law Book's and My own interpretation of the law aswell as what i have knowledge of happening in Reality

 

[funshooter18]

Devastator - I thing Craig has made a valid ppoint based on the posts from funshooter18.
Im my kitchen I have a knife block with some quite long/sharp knives but they were purchased for kitchen use - food prep etc.

Our airsoft guns were purchased for use in the sport of airsoft and although we keep gas in the TM hi-cappa magazines we do not keep them loaded with bbs.

In the case of an intruder then I might be able to grab a knife or perhaps get some bbs and start loading the pistol mag or even find a baseball bat in a cupboard. All potential items for hurting an intruder but not the reason for owning them.

funshooter18 has said "I live alone in a big city so needed something to keep at home to give me the feeling of added security. There are burglaries in my area and I do not wish to become a victim. The gun was purchased legally within UK regulations. This is what I mean by self defence, to fend off any intruders into my home."

It might be difficult to prove but buying an airgun for self defence and keeping it in the house loaded/ready to fire could indicate a degree of pre-meditation. Hopefully this is a purely acaedemic discussion and will never be put to the test.

All makes my convinced that airgun sales would benefit with some form of airsoft skirmish type of regulations rather than just face-to-face sale to anyone over 18.

Richard, thanks for your valuable input to this discussion. I had no idea this thread would turn into this but it's a very.good topic to discuss.

In light of everything you have said, I have numerous reasons for buying the gas gun. One was to kill any rats/vermin inside my own property..

Another reason was simply a hobby, I enjoy target practice in my own home with BB's against pellet catchers in my own home. All of this is perfectly legal. I worded my original posts incorrectly. What I meant to say was if there was an intruder in my home and my gun was loaded with pellets from a previous target practice session, and the gun was the closest thing to hand when the intruder illegally entered my home and I feared for my life, then surely there would not be an act of pre-meditation by using the weapon against the intruder to defend my property & possibly life?

Can you see my point of view here, the weapon (which could be anything from a kitchen knife to a cricket bat) was simply the closest thing to hand and in the heat of the moment, I used the gas gun to defend my life & property?

This is actually a great topic to be debating.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

To be honest, it'd be a bit weird someone coming on the forums to ask about mounting a red dot sight to a pistol, if it were for home defence.

How often can someone get burgled?! Often enough to need aiming assistance? I doubt it lol. Though actually, I guess if it happened that frequently, you'd be well practiced and not need the assistance haha.

Anyway though, it will be possible to get one on, you'll have to buy a mount that fixes to the bottom rail, but reaches around to the top.

Something similar to this: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&tbnid=hQcDKrEkn5WpnM:&imgrefurl=http://ingunowners.com/forums/parts_and_accessories/146250-sig_sauer_pistol_scope_site_mount.html&docid=Nifz8LtFtmbJ9M&imgurl=http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/proshop/product/Pistol-Mount-Detail.jpg&w=573&h=566&ei=ipSLULCJGInT0QWO-IG4Dg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=898&vpy=133&dur=522&hovh=223&hovw=226&tx=122&ty=98&sig=108808737637171164296&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=124&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:81

The red dot you linked looks pretty big though, too big to go on a pistol anyway, it'll probably be about the same size as the gun. Why not get a mini red dot docter sight, like this: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?num=10&um=1&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&tbnid=OoDuNgqrPPbj6M:&imgrefurl=http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/Photos4/DoctorSightSig226.htm&docid=5bdDI-ek3LKcgM&imgurl=http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/Photos4/DoctorSightSig226_5.JPG&w=996&h=390&ei=5pSLULSaHae90QXH44HoBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=764&vpy=174&dur=6438&hovh=140&hovw=359&tx=129&ty=66&sig=108808737637171164296&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=102&tbnw=262&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:78

You could even just stick it on the top with some adhesive, or maybe even double sided tape. Make sure it's well centred though, they're a bugger to configure.

My two pence though, if you're shooting indoors, unless your house has space for at least a 15m range, the red dot might be slightly useless, because they sit high on the gun, to configure for close range you have to, in some cases more than max out the vertical adjustment turret to get it to point low enough to be on target, so if you're shooting at closer ranges of about 10m or less, you might not actually be able to configure it to hit where the shots are going.

I think the Docter red dot and adhesive is your best bet because it'll keep the sight as low as possible, increasing the chance you'll have of being able to configure it.

The battery sits in the bottom though, so you'll have to sandwich something between the gun and the sight so you can take it off to swap the batteries.