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Rock-climby-Dave
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well played, good sir.
The horses were bred to race, so they raced. Accidents are part of that and within the racing community it is an accepted thing.
You would be a fool not to put money on at least 1 horse 'not quite finishing' as it were.
The horses were bred to race, so they raced. Accidents are part of that and within the racing community it is an accepted thing.
You would be a fool not to put money on at least 1 horse 'not quite finishing' as it were.
Horses have been around ALOT longer than greedy breeders, believe me!
The only reason they are bred, is greed and money!
That's the problem with society, everyone is more interested in money than doing the right thing. I don't expect anyone else to agree because it's more normal these days to have that greedy view than any other.
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The problem is that these are meant to be the finest horses in the country, so why not have a course suitable for them, or reduced numbers, rather than a set up that is known to cause problems? There is no need for it to happen in my view. Putting down horses can't be part of the fun in anyone's view. I can accept it might happen occasionally, but every year near enough isn't good.
If any other sport had animals/people being put to rest there would a public outcry?
If any other sport had animals/people being put to rest there would a public outcry?
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Rock-climby-Dave
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you're right, if we started putting down footballers who fell over unneccesarily there would be outcry (although, morally I believe it would the right thing 
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but there would also be outcry if you changed the venue, course or number of horses in the grand national.
you are right there though, Boro, people are far more interested in money than doing the right thing. It's not good, but it's the way it is and without reforming pretty much everything it's the way it is. Humans are good at making life more comfortable for themselves and their offspring - survival of the fittest. Just it's got to the point where it isn't physical fittness, but he who has the fattest bank account which leads the easiest life.
)but there would also be outcry if you changed the venue, course or number of horses in the grand national.
you are right there though, Boro, people are far more interested in money than doing the right thing. It's not good, but it's the way it is and without reforming pretty much everything it's the way it is. Humans are good at making life more comfortable for themselves and their offspring - survival of the fittest. Just it's got to the point where it isn't physical fittness, but he who has the fattest bank account which leads the easiest life.
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Not just the National that kills horses:
http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/
Only 32% of those died in actual races. Well over half of those that are killed, are killed because they become injured in training or are suddenly deemed not to be "commercially viable", which is a euphemism for past it. They are treated as tools, nothing more.
Also, what's the "bred" thing? Horses don't jump because they're bred to, nor because they like it. Strangely, there aren't many fences and hedges in nature. Have you ever seen a horse being "trained" to jump? Being hit repeatedly on the haunches with a whip or steel tube to force it over a low training jump is the usual way of things.
http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/
Only 32% of those died in actual races. Well over half of those that are killed, are killed because they become injured in training or are suddenly deemed not to be "commercially viable", which is a euphemism for past it. They are treated as tools, nothing more.
Also, what's the "bred" thing? Horses don't jump because they're bred to, nor because they like it. Strangely, there aren't many fences and hedges in nature. Have you ever seen a horse being "trained" to jump? Being hit repeatedly on the haunches with a whip or steel tube to force it over a low training jump is the usual way of things.
Rock-climby-Dave
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To the horse owners, though, they ARE a tool.
If you had a hammer and it broke, would you keep it? no.
would you be able to find a new home for it? no, because no-one wants a broken hammer with gaffer tape holding it together.
and I would have said they were bred to jump and run faster. It's not a natural so we breed the strongest, fastest horses for racing.
If you had a hammer and it broke, would you keep it? no.
would you be able to find a new home for it? no, because no-one wants a broken hammer with gaffer tape holding it together.
and I would have said they were bred to jump and run faster. It's not a natural so we breed the strongest, fastest horses for racing.
Rock-climby-Dave
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I'm not comparing a horse to a hammer, I am offering another view on the matter
@marksman - Cows probably taste better
@marksman - Cows probably taste better
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I don't bet on sports (mainly because I've got no idea about what's going on).
You can't point blank say it's wrong. Other people in other cultures view things differently. Yes, to you it may seem cruel but to others it's a normal thing to happen.
So, yes if had an interest and was part of a culture where it is legal and is an everyday occurrence, then probably yes.
You can't point blank say it's wrong. Other people in other cultures view things differently. Yes, to you it may seem cruel but to others it's a normal thing to happen.
So, yes if had an interest and was part of a culture where it is legal and is an everyday occurrence, then probably yes.
You can't really use culture as a reason bearing in mind we are of the same culture. It's an English sport in England.
Even the RSPCA are calling for changes. It's just not acceptable that we can put these animals in danger in the name of sport/pleasure.
Animals die for lots of reasons, some reasons are ludicrous and don't make any sense.
Even the RSPCA are calling for changes. It's just not acceptable that we can put these animals in danger in the name of sport/pleasure.
Animals die for lots of reasons, some reasons are ludicrous and don't make any sense.
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