True - maybe I'm just in love with the DE Honey Badger? Plus this is actually metal, which I'm not used to and it's cold to hold!
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Shaydee
There is always the possibility you got a lemon, airsoft QC is more than subpar after all - might be worth a shout to the retailer if you can be arsed? And much like Skara has said, I've seen worse on guns more than twice the price >.< I'd guess it's a lot easier to mould plastic than it is to machine metal as well.
Skara
Let's be honest, it's really hard to beat the DE Honey Badger for what it offers (on paper).
Also fuck metal guns, it's just unnecessary extra weight and receiver wobble issues in the long term..
Also fuck metal guns, it's just unnecessary extra weight and receiver wobble issues in the long term..
Cr0-Magnon
@Skara - It is weird, because it's polymer but solid the DE Honey Badger reminds me of a TM GBBP but in AEG form. No wobble, no casting marks/errors, it's not overly heavy or cold....did I mention I don't like cold gnu's!
Adolf Hamster
Possibly a friday afternooner as has been said.
Tbh the lower end of the market the externals tends to be what suffers, although internally they seem to be good enough to pass muster with minimal work.
Tbh the lower end of the market the externals tends to be what suffers, although internally they seem to be good enough to pass muster with minimal work.
S
Sitting Duck
Same ol' issue...
At what point is something...
GOOD Value
GREAT Value
FANTASTIC Value etc...
Cyma for example
make the absolute shite CM.022 plinker (don't bother)
ultra budget CM.520 AK - not bad but cheap 028
std budget CM.028 - best of the cheapo AK's £ for £ imho
before going upwards to the higher end AK's
same as G&G - good basic Raider Vs mid range Vs Top Tech
Fair to say you take a good value gun
then add say £40~£50 for metal receiver
and/or £25 for a bit better internals
and then some for flashy modern looks/styling
Then you have to look at which of those guns are the best value
and at what point you think...
Hang on a sec - just WTF am I getting for my extra money ???
China guns are still a bit of lottery with craftsmanship
(depends which 5 year old slapped it together)
The DE 904G is FANTASTIC value for money
BUT other models - even the plastic ones run £40 more
There are some models that have a plastic stock tube adapter
like the 904A
https://www.taiwangun.com/assault-rifle-aeg/m904a-fire-control-system-edition-de?from=listing&campaign-id=19
but out of stock, but I'd like the stock tube adapter if poss
to allow me option to drop on a fixed stubby for better battery space
Before going to the light alloy receivers (I think) 907 versions
at £155 plus (£50 more than the 904G)
The 904G they are selling at little profit to push this DE range
("They" being both TWG & DE I mean)
Remember this is Double Eagle that make the M900 Krinkov AK
& the crappy M805A BullDog pile of dog shit plinker
All that being said - I was tempted to grab a "High Speed" G36
The Cyma CM.011 HS version at about the same price of the 904G
Looked tempting, the 13:1 gears, metal rack piston and perhaps better motor etc...
I could see where the extra £25 or so was spent
BUT in the end I went for the 904G instead
(plus a 517 coz they are still the nutz @ £63 aprox
they have minor flaws but what hasn't at that price ffs)
The question as always is
WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR THE EXTRA MONEY
often it is less~slightly less value than the cheaper models
mostly coz like the 904G example they are pushed with a reduced markup to sell in volume/bulk
Than the more realistic markup of the mid range models
(That is my theory)
The mid range models are more priced "correctly"
than the budget/cheaper but still good models priced to sell
As for craftsmanship - the mid range stuff
is simply assembled by the cheapo stuff's big brother
who has say 18 months experience in the sweat shop
so one model on the cheap is assembled by a 5 year old
& other models are assembled by his 7 year old brother
One gets 50c a day for the budget guns
&
one gets a whopping $1 a day for the Pro-line guns
in this case the 7 year old brother was off with COVID-19
so his younger brother was dragged off to build the hi end model
Off topic slightly...
GunFire have gone to shit imho...
Their points system has ended - you no longer earn them
spend them before Chrimbo btw
and they stopped doing decent stuff for points ages ago
as well as using say 150 points for delivery - a fucking shame
what stock GF have of low end guns at least is shit
they charge for PayPal, they really have gone down a bit
Parts & stuff are still cheap with their offers
but shipping, PP charges and stuff means they have lost ground
the situation in China/COVID, low confidence the world over
plus loads of uncertainty means the whole confidence in global economy is at its lowest point since 2008 and maybe more than that
People are hanging on to their money, with all the uncertain future - so good luck to all consumers with their own jobs
Plus also any retailer/manufacturer the world over
coz it doesn't look to bright for everyone
some are coining it in & others are up shit creek
so choose wisely how you spend your money/savings
I like the "decent" cheaper stuff (always have)
often saw the mid or higher end stuff as over rated/priced
but there are some good & some not so good higher end models
(usually I break them just as much as the cheaper ones so I stick with the budget stuff as my mistakes cost me less
)
I'm sure with a few tweaks the issues will get resolved
and perhaps you just got a higher end gun assembled by the younger kid brother
best of luck - my rant is over
(for now)
At what point is something...
GOOD Value
GREAT Value
FANTASTIC Value etc...
Cyma for example
make the absolute shite CM.022 plinker (don't bother)
ultra budget CM.520 AK - not bad but cheap 028
std budget CM.028 - best of the cheapo AK's £ for £ imho
before going upwards to the higher end AK's
same as G&G - good basic Raider Vs mid range Vs Top Tech
Fair to say you take a good value gun
then add say £40~£50 for metal receiver
and/or £25 for a bit better internals
and then some for flashy modern looks/styling
Then you have to look at which of those guns are the best value
and at what point you think...
Hang on a sec - just WTF am I getting for my extra money ???
China guns are still a bit of lottery with craftsmanship
(depends which 5 year old slapped it together)
The DE 904G is FANTASTIC value for money
BUT other models - even the plastic ones run £40 more
There are some models that have a plastic stock tube adapter
like the 904A
https://www.taiwangun.com/assault-rifle-aeg/m904a-fire-control-system-edition-de?from=listing&campaign-id=19
but out of stock, but I'd like the stock tube adapter if poss
to allow me option to drop on a fixed stubby for better battery space
Before going to the light alloy receivers (I think) 907 versions
at £155 plus (£50 more than the 904G)
The 904G they are selling at little profit to push this DE range
("They" being both TWG & DE I mean)
Remember this is Double Eagle that make the M900 Krinkov AK
& the crappy M805A BullDog pile of dog shit plinker
All that being said - I was tempted to grab a "High Speed" G36
The Cyma CM.011 HS version at about the same price of the 904G
Looked tempting, the 13:1 gears, metal rack piston and perhaps better motor etc...
I could see where the extra £25 or so was spent
BUT in the end I went for the 904G instead
(plus a 517 coz they are still the nutz @ £63 aprox
they have minor flaws but what hasn't at that price ffs)
The question as always is
WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR THE EXTRA MONEY
often it is less~slightly less value than the cheaper models
mostly coz like the 904G example they are pushed with a reduced markup to sell in volume/bulk
Than the more realistic markup of the mid range models
(That is my theory)
The mid range models are more priced "correctly"
than the budget/cheaper but still good models priced to sell
As for craftsmanship - the mid range stuff
is simply assembled by the cheapo stuff's big brother
who has say 18 months experience in the sweat shop
so one model on the cheap is assembled by a 5 year old
& other models are assembled by his 7 year old brother
One gets 50c a day for the budget guns
&
one gets a whopping $1 a day for the Pro-line guns
in this case the 7 year old brother was off with COVID-19
so his younger brother was dragged off to build the hi end model
Off topic slightly...
GunFire have gone to shit imho...
Their points system has ended - you no longer earn them
spend them before Chrimbo btw
and they stopped doing decent stuff for points ages ago
as well as using say 150 points for delivery - a fucking shame
what stock GF have of low end guns at least is shit
they charge for PayPal, they really have gone down a bit
Parts & stuff are still cheap with their offers
but shipping, PP charges and stuff means they have lost ground
the situation in China/COVID, low confidence the world over
plus loads of uncertainty means the whole confidence in global economy is at its lowest point since 2008 and maybe more than that
People are hanging on to their money, with all the uncertain future - so good luck to all consumers with their own jobs
Plus also any retailer/manufacturer the world over
coz it doesn't look to bright for everyone
some are coining it in & others are up shit creek
so choose wisely how you spend your money/savings
I like the "decent" cheaper stuff (always have)
often saw the mid or higher end stuff as over rated/priced
but there are some good & some not so good higher end models
(usually I break them just as much as the cheaper ones so I stick with the budget stuff as my mistakes cost me less
)I'm sure with a few tweaks the issues will get resolved
and perhaps you just got a higher end gun assembled by the younger kid brother
best of luck - my rant is over
(for now)
snuff
My Cyma Platinum M4 arrived today,the exact opposite to be honest...seems solid and well finished.
Cr0-Magnon
@L3wisD - I honestly couldn't imagine bothering to sell it @ 60%....heck, I'm even putting a ZCI hop chamber, 6.02MM barrel, Maple leaf bucking and omega nub this weekend.
ak2m4
Got sent the DE catalog a while back, nice little lineup. Fully plastic for £109, pretty decent for what I've seen
Cr0-Magnon
@ak2m4 - Hey you, where's my ZCI stuff for it!? JK, I was surprised how quickly you sent it. Back to the Marui comparison, "plastic" doesn't do it justice. Makes me think of the cheap ABS.
Nothing impossible to fix though, and still better QC than Ares or VFC to be honest, and they're twice the price of that Cyka.