cheaters (rant)

[ImTriggerHappy]

Good to hear.  I wouldn't marshal for all the G3s in China so would never criticise a volunteer doing a pretty thankless job of cat herding, mind.

That is where the mall differs from a lot of sites all it's marshalls are paid so everything is a bit more on point.

 

[Lozart]

Usual question: does it actually happen though?  I hear a lot of warnings about no more warnings being given, but have yet to see anyone actually be invited to sit out or leave the site.  It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, just that I've got no evidence that it does.

It does happen, I can vouch for that (having been on the wrong end of a telling off myself - nobody is perfect, right?). Thing is that as with many other sites there is always the issue of a marshal actually needing to see someone breaking the rules before they can be disciplined for it. When a player comes up to a marshal and moans about "that wanker in the multiglam" not taking his hits, more often than not they're describing half the players that day.

Yes, being a marshal is a thankless task, no they can't be everywhere at once and yes, there will always be people that cheat and people that genuinely don't realise they've been hit. It's all part of the game. What bugs me personally is the rear echelon armchair generals (like the infamous Captain Teamkill) that shout orders about pushing up from their position at the back. Almost as annoying are the people that agree to storm a room with you then stand around like lemons after you've put pyro through and followed it in.

 

[L3wisD]

"that wanker in the multiglam" not taking his hits, more often than not they're describing half the players that day.

Like the time I told Stretch McChicken to keep an eye out for me at the mall.

"Easy, I'll be the guy in military style gear with an M4"  :lol:

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

>snip<

Nailed it completely

 

[steakandpotato]

Tbf - they could do something along the lines of: Gun hit = take mag out, clear gun, put mag back in. Effectively it temporarily takes someone out the game. Although that would be pretty difficult to monitor properly

 

[Druid799]

My home sites (Cribbs &Portishead) have paid marshaling staff , they work for black ops and you can most definitely tell the difference ! I’m on first name turms with most of them and I do consider them friends but if I digress from the path of goodness I fully expect (and do receive!) the rath of one of them , and rightly sow ! 

 

[madmogga]

Tbf - they could do something along the lines of: Gun hit = take mag out, clear gun, put mag back in. Effectively it temporarily takes someone out the game. Although that would be pretty difficult to monitor properly

One site i use if you get a gun hit then your not out but need to use your side arm, which is ok but last game i got called out for not taking a hit when the hit was on my gun which i put down and used my pistol 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

One site i use if you get a gun hit then your not out but need to use your side arm, which is ok but last game i got called out for not taking a hit when the hit was on my gun which i put down and used my pistol 

i learned the hard way- duck into cover then shout gun hit

otherwise you're just inviting a bb to the noggin

 

[Druid799]

One site i use if you get a gun hit then your not out but need to use your side arm, 

I’ve always liked this idea , relation to this it’s the only real bugbear I have at my home site there ruling is a gun hit your dead and out head marshal says “you get hit in the gun the flying metal would incapacitate you” now I can see his logic behind it just don’t agree BUT that’s his ruling so I’ll honour it as he’s one of the best I’ve ever come across and I really like the guy so I won’t argue the toss over it ! 

 

[steakandpotato]

I’ve always liked this idea , relation to this it’s the only real bugbear I have at my home site there ruling is a gun hit your dead and out head marshal says “you get hit in the gun the flying metal would incapacitate you” now I can see his logic behind it just don’t agree BUT that’s his ruling so I’ll honour it as he’s one of the best I’ve ever come across and I really like the guy so I won’t argue the toss over it ! 

I played at UCAP Green Ops the other weekend, and had a ruling of 'Gun hit whilst gun is up - nothing. Gun hit whilst by your side/across your torso - hit'

Personally, I feel as thought that's the best method for gun hits.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I played at UCAP Green Ops the other weekend, and had a ruling of 'Gun hit whilst gun is up - nothing. Gun hit whilst by your side/across your torso - hit'

Personally, I feel as thought that's the best method for gun hits.

could be complex though, like for example if i'm using the mg then the gurttrommel will block almost any attempt at a headshot despite being only tin and a real bullet would go straight through it.

i think either it counts or it doesnt as a simple ruling is the best way, otherwise we could go very technical as to individual cases of wether or not the gun would have stopped the bullet.

 

[PopRocket123]

could be complex though, like for example if i'm using the mg then the gurttrommel will block almost any attempt at a headshot despite being only tin and a real bullet would go straight through it.

i think either it counts or it doesnt as a simple ruling is the best way, otherwise we could go very technical as to individual cases of wether or not the gun would have stopped the bullet.

Ironsight do gun hits in a pretty unique way compared to other sites I've been to. If it's in life with you it counts if it's to the side of your body it doesn't. So if you poke it round a corner and it gets shot it doesn't count but you can't just hide behind your gun. It's still not perfect and requires honesty and is generally a judgment call but it's not caused a problem that I've seen.

 

[Samurai]

I like when the gun hits count. In airsoft a single twig can actually protect you, so I'm okay with making it a little easier to get hit.

 

[steakandpotato]

could be complex though, like for example if i'm using the mg then the gurttrommel will block almost any attempt at a headshot despite being only tin and a real bullet would go straight through it.

i think either it counts or it doesnt as a simple ruling is the best way, otherwise we could go very technical as to individual cases of wether or not the gun would have stopped the bullet.

I'm confused by your statement of the gurttrommel blocking headshots

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I'm confused by your statement of the gurttrommel blocking headshots

it covers the front half of your face pretty well. it shouldn't block them as well as it does but first time out with it was amazed how many times it was stopping me from getting hit.

 

[Arwen]

I like when the gun hits count. In airsoft a single twig can actually protect you, so I'm okay with making it a little easier to get hit.

I was on the fence about the gun hit rule. However, after today I'm going to agree with this.

Hit a few folk today where I was close enough to witness the bb hit their gun, then continue up and hit their shoulder/chest. They called gun hit and carried on, as was the rules of the game. Gun hits don't count, ricochet's don't count. 

Still felt a bit cheated  <_<  but meh, 

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

I like when the gun hits count. In airsoft a single twig can actually protect you, so I'm okay with making it a little easier to get hit.

Depends on environment. In the woods where you generally are seeing a whole person gun hits are ok. CQB where guns usually have to start coming round corners ahead of the person or are poking through doors though it would become a bit stupid.

 

[clumpyedge]

Gun hits i think are stupid.. leaves it way to open for people to just yell gun hit when they have actually taken a body hit. I do however like the rule that some people have mentioned if a site does have gun its, i that if the gun is hit that gun is out of use if you have it in hand.

 

[richmt11]

I haven't read the entire contents of this thread. But just wanted to put in my thoughts and ask something myself.

Firstly on the recent comments regarding gun hits. I like the switch to secondary if gun is hit. But i do think the whole rule is too open to abuse and should not be used. Its a bit like the "solid ricochet counts as a hit". What defines a solid ricochet? As people said cheaters gonna cheat, and that ricochet will never be solid enough. So i hate ricochets counting to be honest.

But my question(s) to pose are these.

- 50/50's: If you come round a corner and both shoot, i pretty much always expect the 50/50 and hand goes up. What happens when people give the "i shot first" bullshit. IRL mate trigger pulls are gonna happen simultaneously and people gonna trade a kill. So i think 50/50's are always a thing and people should call it. Then there is the cheater who will get shot whilst his gun is down, raise it way after, and start calling a 50/50. That fucks me off so much. I got gopro footage the other week, im laying on the floor and kill 2 guys crossing a door way who clearly dont know where they are shot from, i continue to shoot and then get shot. They both hand up and walk off as do i, but i got those kills way early.

- The second thing is, whats your stance if you get hit because you had to go out of your way to tell a cheater hes a fucking cheater. For example you shoot someone and thye dont know where they are shot from. you move up to an obviously exposed position to get them, which you do then get shot from somewhere else. That just fucks me off cos people dont take it the first time. Equally occasions where you have to complain to someone or they are mouthing off cos you called them out and that distraction gets you killed. Or your killed whilst telling a marshal, are you in or out?

Rich

 

[Rogerborg]

I cheated last time I was out.  We were defending a structure, one of the other team managed to get in our rear, and popped us from behind.  I thought I'd taken a stinger of a ricochet, called it as such, and only twigged when I got hit again and looked round.

Humble apologies were made, and copious congratulations offered.  And I think that's what matters.  Celebrate good play by either side, put a smile on someone's face, even if it's not yours.